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The one perpetrating this used texting and the encrypted messaging app Signal. And it's highly concerning as to where AI is rapidly going and into whose hands this is falling. And if you were not concerned before, it's critically important that you understand that just recently Mark Zuckerberg announced the creation of meta-superintelligence labs to propel the advancement from artificial general intelligence, or AGI, to artificial superintelligence, or ASI. And it doesn't stop there. Zuckerberg wants to make this open source. What does that mean? Why all the uproar? Why the concern? Our guest today calls it a digital tower of battle. Joining us today, we welcome Martin Moyer, who is president of Christian Action Network. Martin began his career as a journalist for the Religion Today news syndicate and as the Washington News correspondent for Moody Monthly Magazine. This resulted in his position as the editor-in-chief of Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority Report. In 1990, he founded the Christian Action Network. They're a nonprofit organization that was created to protect America's religious and moral heritage through educational and political activism efforts. He's the author of four books, has directed three documentary films. Martin, thank you for joining us today here on Crosstalk. Well, thank you for having me on, Jim. I'm glad to be here. Martin, you are sounding the alarm for really good reason. As we talk about this significant development in AI, we've got a lot of ground to cover. But I think it's first important to define our terminology here. And if you would define, we're using acronyms, AGI, Artificial General Intelligence. That's labs that Mark Zuckerberg wants to build. And the next level after that is ASI, Artificial Super Intelligence. Could you define those for us? Yeah, I'll give it my best. You're right, there's a lot of special lingo that goes on in the AI world, and understanding what they mean and what they're talking about is very critical for our safety, actually. So it's something we can't ignore, and we have to actually pay attention and figure out what this tech speak really means to us. So right now, if people use AI, whether it's Siri or ChatGDP or they go to Gemini on Google, any of the ones that are currently out there, They're using what's called ANI. That stands for Artificial Narrow Intelligence. So in this particular case, you can communicate with it. It can help you write emails. It can do some legal work for you. It's an astounding program, and it's very smart. But the one thing that it doesn't have is human-like capability. It doesn't consider itself human. It doesn't have emotions. it can't reason uh... it can't plot out uh... uh... good or evil at the moment now that doesn't mean that bad actors there can't use eight and tried to do evil things but you just mentioned in the opening how it's being used to imitate people and who knows what nefarious activity behind their goals there but a and i it is being used already to do some very nefarious evil things well what it advances past A.N.I. it then moves to artificial general intelligence which by the way no one has created yet not Zuckerberg not open A.I. not Google no one has achieved that yet but they're on the cusp of it and Zuckerberg wants to be ahead of the game and not only does he want to just like be in the game be ahead of the game he wants to feel that he could advance it so far that he'll go from A-N-I all the way to A-G-I and then immediately after that somehow achieved A-S-I, which is super-intelligent artificial intelligence. Now, this is scary stuff. Most people don't know how frightening this is. It will keep you up late at night, as it has me, and we've devoted a lot of resources, as you know, Jim, in the last few weeks, trying to get word out as to how dangerous this is. now what makes this particularly dangerous is that a g i or a f five whatever we want to call it have the ability to do some very evil things all on its uh... it can immediately hack into it system that's out there i can hack into water treatment systems break uh... uh... codes uh... it couldn't uh... come up with his own biological weapons and so what do you people in the tech world are doing right now before they go to AGI is trying to control what this thing can do once it's released. So they're trying to put what they call human parameters on it. In other words, it wants it to think like we think as humans. So it puts these brackets around it and guidelines and saying you can't do this. If you get this type of response, you should act like that. Well, you and I both know that you can't possibly code into a machine every possible human reaction to every possible situation someone's in. So they're going to miss something. There's no question about that. They may miss a lot of things. But what makes this even more dangerous is that Zuckerberg wants to make it open source. Now, what does that mean? That means that anybody, anybody will have access to this super intelligent machine that he is creating, and they can do whatever they want with it. So even if they put the parameters, the human-like parameters around super-intelligent AI, anybody getting a hold of it can easily then remove those parameters from that program and make it do the bad things it wants it to do. Now, there's a lot of evil people out there, Jim. You know that as well as I do. And we could just go on for the next 30 minutes naming how many evil people are out there. We could name drug cartels. We could name North Korea. We could name China. We can just go on down the list. Those people would have a very particular interest in using Zuckerberg's artificial superintelligence machine to conduct some very evil things. They have the ability, and this is what's really scary about it. I know people think I'm exaggerating this. They would have the ability to hold the whole world hostage in just a matter of moments if they desire to do that. bending the world to their will. Either do this or we will unleash that. And there will be no way to stop it. And that's the scary thing about this. Yeah, Martin, where does it gain its intelligence? How does it get this information? Well, it gains its intelligence typically by feeding it in all this information. And it's got millions and millions and millions of documents that it has scanned throughout the Internet and through online. sources to have the information inside of it. So it knows how to do these things. If someone in Russia knows how to hack into MGM Casino out in Nevada, this thing knows how it did it. And it would be able to duplicate that and do it ten times faster, if not a million times faster, than any human could do it. So it already has this information in it. The question is, Can it logically think that that's what it wants to do, or can it be instructed to do this? That's when you start moving into AGI, and now you can guide this program to do what you want it to do, or it may on its own decide what it wants to do. And here's a typical example that's out there. You may program it into it and say, you know, killing humans is bad. But the program itself may think, well, killing humans is bad, but if the environment is going to kill X number of humans, and I can kill these few humans to save the greater number of humans, that I'm going to implement what I was programmed to do, and that is to save human life. And there would be no way to stop it from doing it, because it would have access immediately if it wanted to, to force humankind to bend to its will. it could hold it hostage. It can say, if you do not do this, I will shut down your water treatment plants. I will shut down your electric grids. And it could go on and on and on of the vast ability that this artificial general intelligence, not even super intelligence, would have. And that's in the hands of good people. I like this one saying that I heard. It's like, It's, we gotta hope that the good demons outweigh the bad demons. Wow, wow, wow. And that's exactly what we're gonna be facing. When we have enough good demons, and that's an oxymoron, right? What's a good demon? But they're all demons. But there are even worse demons than these demons out there, and we gotta hope that the good demons outweigh the bad demons in this machine. martin moyers with us today and uh... really a warning about the open source a g i plan and that is underway and and uh... even to leave us from a g i two a s i that's uh... certainly very troubling as to where this is going the artificial general intelligence to the artificial super intelligence and uh... martin the other aspect about this is it's kind of like this this uh... a i has, as you said, the rapid reading scanning capability. I mean, it's like every book in this world, it already has that knowledge and every reference and medical paper and everything. And it's in that constant learning mode for everything new that's introduced, even online. Yeah, and the amazing thing about it, now look, I use AI all the time here at Christian Action Network. We use the narrow version, of course, and it'll amaze you how quickly it can retrieve information and spit it out. I mean, it's like instant. Sometimes I think it's printing the answer to my question as I'm typing it. because it can reach in and respond that quickly. And that's how quickly it will be able to respond to any other evil command that this thing comes up with, either through the direction of a bad actor, or because it decides that's the direction it wants to go. And as you point out, there are many bad actors, and you talked about the open source, and so what happens if this open source hits the Internet? If it hits the internet as open source, we all die. I mean, that's pretty much what it is. And I know that sounds scary, but once it goes out there, I just can't believe it. It's hard for me to digest the fact that Zuckerberg is actually going to release a super intelligent AI for open source out to the public, and there's no turning back. He has between zero and five minutes to change his mind after he does that, because once he does it, people already prepared they're going to download it they're going to get the clout for the movie to appear to be a bit of a bit of a mirror uh... our cloud forms and then it's unretrievable there's been nothing no way any government and sucker burger any other tech out there will be able to retreated what is out there now it's in the hands forever of bad people right and if you think that is now but the you know the You raised an interesting point at the beginning, and it can't be understated. AI already is being used to do some very bad things out there. I mean, some horrible things. We don't need to go through all of them, but one of the things that it's being used to do is to clone the voice of a small child that they found on the internet and get it to say what it wants to say, call the grandparent and say, hey, Grandma, I've been kidnapped. And these people aren't going to let me go unless you give $5,000. And they're going to send someone to your house. And if you give $5,000, they'll free me. And it'll sound exactly like your grandchild. You're not going to know the difference. And a lot of grandparents have fallen for that scam. They are falling for it. Friends, we've got so much more information to bring to your attention because not only are we going to talk about the problem, but also what you can do. So be ready to jot down some information as well. We'll be back in a minute here on Crosstalk. Back to Genesis with Dr. John Morris, scientist with the Institute for Creation Research. Dr. Morris, what were the flying dinosaurs? Chris, the flying reptiles like the pterodactyls were not really dinosaurs. By definition, dinosaurs walked on land with bones different from the flying reptiles, but they're often in the same discussion, usually as being huge reptiles from the great age of reptiles. Of course I disagree with the term age of reptiles. I think all animals were created during creation week. Flying animals on day 5 and land animals on day 6. But, you know, there's a lot of evidence that these flying reptiles lived at the same time as humans. Sober historians of yesteryear describe such beasts and even drew pictures of them. And the American Indians even drew pictures of the Thunderbird and their drawings are similar to the Pteranodon. Make no mistake, Chris, the evidence fits the back to Genesis truth of recent creation of all things. Thanks, Dr. Morris. For more on creation, visit our website at www.icr.org. You're listening to Crosstalk on the VCY American Network. Martin Moyer is with us today. He is president of Christian Action Network with a warning today in regard to the open source AGI plan. And friends, it is underway as we have Mark Zuckerberg announcing the creation of meta superintelligence labs. Matter of fact, and we'll be talking more about him, he is actually going out and he's on a poaching spree right now trying to secure top talent in all of this. And as we're talking with Martin Moyer today, as you heard in the opening segment, the concern is very, very strong that this is going to fall into the wrong hands. If it's on open source, it just gets put out online. Within moments, this open source AI is going to be downloaded and can be used for very, very rogue purposes. And, Martin, when we hear, you know, in today's, you know, whether it be on university campuses or from Iran itself, you know, a death to Israel, death to America, literally the tools will be put in rogue people's hands to carry out their dastardly deeds. Oh, absolutely. If they wanted to create a pathogen, an AGI, much like a super AGI, would be able to give the recipe for it. And they would have it and they would be able to use it. uh... felt that you have to rewrite so uh... in them mark zuckerberg is very much behind this and and and uh... isn't announces he's he's doing what any idea why he is doing it uh... yeah i do have a ideas why uh... you know you and i grew up during that what was called up the arms right back at all about what you are but i grew up during the arms race and for all the pressures out there and all who you could build the biggest battle weapon out there you know But what we're seeing right now is what I call a tech race, as to who can build the fastest, best AI system out there. And so a lot of these people are just ignoring the consequences of what they're doing. They want to be first. They want to be the ones that have that crown on their head. I was the first person to come out with AGI. And Zuckerberg was elevated higher than that. I was the first person to come out with ASI. Now, there's a quote I would like to read to you. It's rather short, and it's from the co-founder of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute. Here's what he said. If you try to build a safe AGI without solving alignment first, you die. It's very simple. And it's very hard to understand that we would actually pursue a machine with the capability that Someone in the industry itself would say, you die. Now, what does it mean by solving alignment first? We talked about that a little briefly before the break. Solving alignment first means we got to make sure that AGI and ASI has what human-like qualities and characters and values that we would have in it. And if you don't solve that problem first, then it will go rogue. It'll come up with its own ideas of what's best for the world, and on its own, whether bad actor or not, on its own, it would have the ability to hold the world hostage. I kind of look at this as sort of like the gateway for the Antichrist to walk at. I was just going to mention that, the very thoughts going through my mind, because we know—and friends, let me first of all say that this is, you know, troubling information, and I want to underscore, as Scripture says, God's not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. Greater is He that's in you than he that is in the world. So it's not that we live in fear. fear of, oh, my life's going to be taken, it is rather to be understanding of the times in which we live, but understand what is going on, friends, because one known as Antichrist is going to be coming and having a control. Martin, Scripture says one's not going to be able to buy or sell, those who are here on the earth at that time, buy or sell without having the market. People are going to be tracked in ways that not even think possible here today, but that's where this is all heading in the hands of a rogue player, and you can just see the total domination and control one will have with this type of AI. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because I have an analogy here that I think will help people understand. If ATI is being used for good, and some broke person out there from the various individual group to fight the police scam on a grandmother but we talked before and said five thousand dollars for your child died eighty i itself would know that scam is going on at the moment this scam artist attempted to uh... deprived that their mother out of five thousand dollars and it would be g i would be able to cancel that check before the uh... the thieves actually were able to catch it that's how smart a g i s well if it's not smart to be able to do that it's also that part to do the opposite right so it just depends on who is controlling a g i which is why right now our campaign is to get congress to pass a bill prohibiting a g i from being open source it's going to come out there's no stopping it i'm i'm i'm a realist that's going to come out there is no way we humans could stop what these tech people are doing uh... but i think congress would be a very open to the idea to stop it from coming out as open source which would and a tremendous gift to the leaders of china and russia north korea and many cartel leaders out there we have to stop that you know we're just going to speed up the inevitable we have a petition on our website at well i think that you think the website we have something that we put up there for your listeners that they can download it's called unleashing the beast we're going to talk about uh... a little bit about what uh... it's going on here but this eighteen page report will give you all the ammunition all the details that you need to fully understand the consequences and what is happening right now you can download that for free we also have a front page of the website have a petition that you can sign to congress and you can read what the petition says about that i just want to stop it up the goal is to prevent sucker burger anybody else from releasing the type of a i'd out for public use and downloadable by bad actors Friends, and the website, by the way, is christianaction.org, christianaction.org. And friends, go online, read the report that they have written on this, and you can also review that petition that he mentioned there as well. Is Congress, are they alert to what's going on? Are they aware of what Zuckerberg is doing, and what's at risk for our nation? i want to say congress hears whispers about it but i don't think it fully understand that do they care uh... the people shouting the most experts in the industry they're shouting at the top of their lungs people who understand a i think don't do it don't do it don't do it but i think the problem to have experts in the industries only talk to other people in the same uh... vacuum that they're in and they're not talking to the grassroots people to talk to other scientists are talking to other tech people and maybe a member of congress will hear it certainly the media factory port batik us that's too much work for them to figure out what they think he i think it's all about so there's no pressure going on in congress right now they don't really understand it and if you say stuff like i'm saying right now they're going to try to soldier and say uh... another conspiracy he's had a wizard tinfoil hat Yes. So we have to create a grassroots. And I believe this with all my heart, Jeff. God laid this on me to be that spokesman for the grassroots. Because nobody out there in the grassroots with the size of the organization we have is talking about this. And we have got to get this message out. That's why I wanted to come on the air today. We've done podcasts about that. And actually, your listeners, you can have access to the podcast episodes I've already done about this issue. uh... to learn more about it and share it with your friends share it you know share that podcast out there and i have to read anything well they get used to listen to me meander for about twenty minutes and they're going to stand the complexities of this fear what this thing is about to do it uh... and then we gotta get people to sign that petition and uh... i'm not going to forward it until i got enough names to make it worthwhile forwarding it to uh... to uh... speaker mike johnson and i want to show them that the people of america are serious about this Do not let this thing out as an open source for bad actors to get their evil fingers on. ChristianAction.org is the website. Again, that's ChristianAction.org. Martin, you've done a lot of speaking and research on this. What about the general public? Are the people plugged in? I mean, some think that, oh, this is just a tech issue. I'm not tech savvy, so I'm not going to do anything on this. Where is the general public on this? Well, you're absolutely right, Jim. This is sneaking right past the general public because they don't understand it. And it's one of the greatest gifts to the to the tech people out there who want it and it's another great gift to all the bad actors out there there's many of them who also want this program released to the public uh... said that public interest state they don't understand that they don't want to take the time here about it and if they do hear about it they're going to their first reaction is going to be i'm going to put off tomorrow's worries today you know if i'm just going on with my life and worry about that tomorrow uh... so we're gonna have a lot of thought uh... people out there who just are going to take any action about this and the consequence going to be in here without right now you ignore today you're going to live with it tomorrow there's no doubt in my mind that this thing is open source we are headed toward you human destruction here and if you tell me by the way i want to bring it up if you tell me if you have access to any a i out there i don't care if it's deep seeker it's catchy dp or Gemini or Bing's copilot. If you doubt what I say, put it in one of those machines or let the machine itself tell you how dangerous this is going to be if it's out there in the public. You don't have to take my word for it. Take it from the mouth of the person that is actually who is that artificial intelligence. You know, Martin, and again, what you're talking about is not just conjecture. There are a number of sources indicating that, as we mentioned, Mark Zuckerberg, he's on a poaching spree right now, trying to secure top talent, including no less than 11 top AI engineers that they report he's been in contact with. It was being reported that he just hired the top AI expert at Apple. Some of our articles indicate some huge salaries or signing bonuses that are being put on with this. I mean, astronomical figures that are going on. He is very dedicated and very serious about going ahead and developing these meta superintelligent labs and to take AI to levels we've never seen before. Well, that and of course it means a lot of money for him. Once he announced that last week, that he plans on making this open source, His beta stock just skyrocketed. People out there are saying, oh, here's why I want to put my money. Zuckerberg's going to be first. He's going to be the first one out of the gate with AGI, or artificial general intelligence. And that stock is really going to skyrocket, so I'm going to start pouring my money into it. That's exactly what Zuckerberg wanted. And actually, I hope this is the case, that that's the only reason why he's announcing he's making it open source, is to increase that stock level. Because I hope when the day comes that he actually has it, he's also going to issue a price release saying, well, after discussion with a lot of people in the business, we have decided not to make this an open source machine. But who knows? I can't guarantee that. None of us can guarantee it. But one thing we can guarantee, if he does make it open source, it'll be out there, it'll be everywhere, and there's no bringing it back once it's gone. People out there will think, oh, well, if it's out there, the government will protect us by just taking it back down. They can't. They will not be able to take it back down. It'll be on so many servers out there, they won't even be able to find them all. Friends, you're listening to Crosstalk on VCY America, and Martin Moyer is with us here today from Christian Action Network. They do have a petition to Congress right on their website there, easy to find on their homepage at christianaction.org, christianaction.org. We're going to take a quick break, and friends, let's open our phone lines here as well. We'll take your calls, your questions on this, or brief comments. Our number to Crosstalk is 800-733- That's 1-800-733-9829. Do you understand the magnitude of what we're talking about here today? 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The 95-minute DVD Time Changer is available for a donation to VCY of $15, with each additional copy to the same address for a donation of just $10 more. Call 1-800-729-9829. You're listening to Crosstalk on the VCY American Network. Martin Moyer is with us today, president of Christian Action Network. We're on today with a warning about the open source AGI plan, and Mark Zuckerberg is putting together his team right now to put together these meta-superintelligence labs. And friends, we're taking your questions, your brief comments. on this issue or number 800-733-9829. Martin, what's important to know, I mean, this program that we're on right now, we're using technology to get our Christian message across and around the world. We proclaim the gospel through our Bible teaching programs we have on this network and other programming as well, and we use this technology for good. And AI can be used for good. It can also, in the wrong hands, be used for evil. You know, that's precisely correct, but if we look at the history of anything in Invention, every invention ever made that I can come up with has been used, has been created for good, but has also been used for bad. I don't care if it's a car that can then turn into a car bomb, or a knife for your dinner that can then be turned into stab somebody. Name a device, an invention out there, that someone had to figure out a way to make it an evil instrument as well. So AGI overall can be very beneficial to mankind, and if we can just keep it into the right hands, that would be great. But also we have one other thing to concern about. Who is actually putting the human values into AGI? Is it Zuckerberg's values? Whose values are these? And that's where AGI becomes very scary for us Christians, because we do not know how it's going to interpret our biblical stance on many of the things, the current woke world out there thinks it's blasphemous and hateful of Nazis. And so we have to be concerned about that, even if it's what we would call good hands. Let's get to the phone lines. Kevin is calling first. Hi, Kevin, you're on the air. Well, thanks, because I've been dealing with this for a few years, and I just happened to turn it on. He said, Kevin, ask them if they've heard of STI. It's in John 14, verse 17. It's called Spirit of Truth Intelligence, because the world neither sees it nor knows it, because it can move invisibly through the field that Satan can't detect. So that beats both your good and bad demons. Because in the movie Close Encounters for the Third Time, even though it was a story, the character of Dreyfus was being... Yeah, I tell you what, Kevin, I don't want to go down that road there, but let me just say this, that though there is the aspiration to be like God, and that Lucifer himself did that from heaven, I, you know, will ascend above the clouds, I'm going to be like the Most High, there are those that are seeking to do that, and And thank you for raising that issue. And Martin, let me just say this, that there are people, I mean, they're talking about a new AI Bible, and AI is going to, you know, take care of all of these things. We're going to have surveillance from AI to monitor what's happening within our bodies, AI to monitor our thoughts, on and on this thing goes. But we want to become our own gods in this quest, and that's where things are rapidly advancing. It is. It's advancing into a spiritual world that is not seen, just like a spiritual world between the angels and demons that we do not see. That's the world that we're going to be living in. It's that we're going to be living in both a spiritual world and a physical world that mirrors that spiritual world. Mark is calling next. Mark, you're on the air. Yeah, I'm kind of spinning off what you just mentioned already, but yeah, my question is, has ASI already exceeded the human involvement, or has it already become its own entity? like uh... you know already almost to the point of the image of the beast i don't i don't see uh... uh... i'd be more diabolic participation uh... overseeing the uh... programming of this thing and i think it's over i think it's already uh... gone past uh... human capacity, I guess that's my point. Okay, thank you for that. And we haven't gotten to A.S.I. yet, but Martin, in some regards, indeed, A.I. is so much smarter than the average bearer. Absolutely. Even artificial neural intelligence is smarter than me. I can guarantee you that. So can you imagine once it gets to A.G.I., where it now takes on a human behavior. That is the big difference, and we need to really understand that. ANI cannot adopt its own conscious, it can't adopt reasoning, it can't adopt human emotions, but ATI now moves into that ability where it can achieve those things. It basically becomes a human. Friends, again, the website, again, is ChristianAction.org, and you can download his report on this. There's a petition there for Congress, ChristianAction.org. I just want to mention one other resource we have here at Crosstalk, and it's a book written by Dr. Richard Schmidt, a former sheriff in Milwaukee County, called Artificial Intelligence, Transhumanism, and the De-Evolution of Democracy. A powerful book, we've interviewed him on this book, and we make this available our way of saying thank you for your support of $18 or more to Crosstalk. It's available at 800-729-9829. That's 800-729-9829. Roger is calling next. Hi Roger, you're on the air. Yes, my question, just after reviewing a number of things, reading the Bible, a number of things I've come across from ministries, And just wondering, does the Antichrist have to be human? Could it be any type of form of this A.I. that's out there that it could take on? Well, I've seen, you know, pictures of these robots, and all right, well, this is a human form. It could be cloaked in human apparel, but still being just totally A.I. and controlling the world that way. Martin, I don't know if you have any thoughts on that. Well, I do have thoughts on that, but I wanted to put a caveat here. I don't know that my thoughts are correct, but believe me, I have wondered whether or not this super-intelligent AI, whoever comes out with it, could be the Antichrist, because it will be able to hold the world hostage. It will be able to dictate who buys, who does not buy. It fits everything in Revelation, for sure. I'm not going to risk my reputation to say, yes, it is. But, man, you have to look that direction, that's for sure. Thank you for the call, and what we do see, though, is Satan is going to empower the one known as Antichrist, but it is evil, it's diabolical, and used in hands very wrongly. Kelly is calling from California. Kelly, you're on the air. Yes, hi. I jumped into this a little late, I think, so I just want to clarify something. Is this the guy that you're interviewing? Mr. Moyer, is that his last name? Moyer. Moyer, I'm sorry. Moyer, I was just wondering if he's trying to stop this or what are his thoughts on that? I think I'm listening a little late. I'd just quickly say yes, we are trying to stop that. We're trying to get the word out. We're using radio programs such as we are doing today. We're putting it out on all of our social media programs. where are attempting to lobby congress to stop zuckerberg for putting this out as open-source there's a lot of work to do and quite frankly zuckerberg just announced that two weeks ago or less than two weeks ago so we're behind the eight ball and he's got a lot more money that we do a whole lot more money so it's gonna be an uphill battle especially and trying to convince congress whose interests are to serve the public that's how they view themselves rather than uh... that tech people who are shouting out alarms. Look, if you're a congressman and the public wants this because they're told, oh, a cure for cancer is on its way, if only we can get AGI out there, it will be able to figure out this cure and a host of other ailments it will be able to solve for us. The public's going to say, yes, give it to me, give it to me, give it to me. That's what Congress is going to hear. Then you're going to hear voices like mine say, yeah, it's going to give you that, and then it's going to kill you a different way. And it's going to kill you the other way, faster than the cure is coming. Thank you for the call. And there is a petition that he has on his website, christianaction.org, christianaction.org. Thank you for the call. We've got Chris calling next. Hi, Chris, you're on the air. Hi, uh, Jim. Yeah. Uh, we should, none of those should take us by surprise because as born again believers, we know the word of God. We know, uh, what's to come. And, uh, I, you know, I do prison ministry. I often share, um, uh... what's coming next on the biblical calendar of the rapture of the church and uh... i'd recently printed some t-shirts um... i make christian t-shirts as well and the shirt that i just had printed uh... uh... recently on the front of the shirt uh... entered through the narrow gate for why did you get in broad road leading to destruction menace will find it and then uh... along with the other birds and it on the front of get right on the back of the shirt it's the picture of the rapture i have people disappearing We're out of churches, bodies being caught up together, and it was 4 Thessalonians 4, 13-18 on the back of the church. Thank you, Chris. I want to address that for just a second. I appreciate what the caller has said, but there is an attitude among Christians, and that is, well, it's coming anyway, what can I do about it? You know, God said it, He predicted it, He prophesied it, so I'm just going to sit back and let it come. And that's not what God has called us to do. God has not called us to help usher in the Antichrist. He's called us to push him further and further and further away. So let's not look at this and say, well, it's coming anyway, so what can I do, or why should I do anything? It's biblical. I can't stop what the Bible says. Yes, you can. You can't stop the Antichrist from coming, but you can push him back. And for the sake of our children and our grandchildren, We should be doing everything we can to delay that day when the Antichrist arrives. We are called in scripture to be salt and to be light, and that shows activeness in both of that to advance the gospel message as well as to act as salt and agent. That is that which enhances flavor, but it's also that which heals wounds. It is that which has so many different impacts upon society itself. I think Martin of Jonah, okay, so he was sent to Nineveh. At 40 days, Nineveh's going to be overthrown. Okay, judgment's coming. And yet because the message was heeded and the people repented, that destruction was withheld from Nineveh at that time. It happened down the road, it was delayed. That's a very good example. And yet because the people heard and responded and the message went out, people turned. And that's really what the hope is, is that people will turn and understand where this is going and adhere to get engaged with Congress in this regard. And as you indicate, give further opportunity for people to hear the message of Jesus. Yeah, and the other problem, Jim, is that people are going to say, well, you know, Antichrist comes, I'm going to rapture before he gets here anyway. Well, even if that is true, I'm not convinced, and I'm not saying it's not true, but even if that is true, a lot of people could die a lot of horrible deaths before that rapture happens. But if you doubt me, look what's happened to the Christians in Africa. You'll die a horrible death before the rapture gets there. And it's the same Antichrist spirit that's killing them. So don't think that you're going to rapture away from this pain. You want to push it down the road. Our phone number to cross talk 800-733-9829. Christine in Racine, Wisconsin. You're on the air. I appreciate what you're doing so deeply. And because of VCY, I have been active my entire Christian walk. When I, when I found VCY, it was always an encouragement to do that, to be salt and light. So, uh, but my, my call is the thrust of it is this, I, I know that this is an AI arms race and China will not stop. And that's what their mindset will be. It will be, well, they're not going to stop. We can't stop either. and i'm not saying that you don't call in and do everything possible but literally when you have someone like elon musk who just told us this is over a year ago he fed what is the likelihood that and i will destroy a file uh... he fed are twenty twenty five percent He said, what's the time frame? Over 10 years or less? Oh, a little more than 10 years. So, I mean, he was very matter of fact about it. I know that we can't stop this, but I'm all for doing whatever we possibly can. And I thank you. Thank you, Christine. We're up against a break right now. We'll be back with our guest response and more of your phone calls. Our number to crosstalk is 800-733-9829. Back in a minute here on the VCY American Network. For the Worldview Report, I'm Brandon Howes. Our website's worldviewtube.com. Well, the word now is that Jeffrey Epstein did not have a client list, and apparently he did nothing wrong, and he committed suicide. Wow, that's 180 degrees from what we were being told by some of the very people who are now inside the DOJ and the FBI. My friends, I've been encouraging the listeners to my broadcast since day one of the reelection of Donald Trump to lower their expectations. America's federal government has become so corrupt and it controls so many that I believe Americans need to understand there's very little change that's going to come from Washington, D.C. I believe it must happen at a constitutional level, at the local level, at the state level, at the 10th Amendment level. Until then, I don't see much solution. We'll have some wins, but at the end of the day, no, the deep state will roll on. I'm Brandon House. You're listening to Crosstalk on VCY America. Martin Moyer is with us today with the plan for open-source AGI, as announced by Mark Zuckerberg, the putting together of meta-superintelligence labs. We're talking about the impact of AI. And it's critically important that we're understanding of these times, and I do believe in a pre-tribulational rapture, but I'll say this, that we are to occupy that. To me, Martin, that just heightens the intensity of where we're at and the importance of getting out the Gospel message for such a time as this. pre-trip, mid-trip, go rapture, whatever. That shouldn't be what we should be thinking about anyway. We should be thinking about what God told us to do. That could be the salt and light of the earth. Make disciples. And get his truth out there. Indeed. And stop evil. Now the caller right before the break mentioned about China, you know, this arms race, so to speak, the AI race. Yeah, well right now China doesn't have the ability to create the semiconductors that it needs to be able to make a g i but if they have made a i uh... at top priority in the nation so it's just a matter of time before they're able to make this conductors and uh... so it's it's coming you know that nation i don't think i read to be able to do it on their own or russia but uh... america certainly have to go with the right uh... and try that they graduate board uh... tech people then did then do you not think that uh... you know they're working on it Our number is 800-733-9829. We have Lori calling from Michigan. Lori, you're on the air. Yes. Um, hi. Thank you so much for taking my call. And I wanted to say, um, and for bringing this subject up for years, knowing I've traveled a lot, have a missionary in my family, objects are very commonly, well, I would call demon possessed. That sounds crazy for people that understand. and they've never been around i've i've been in places where there's voodoo uh... you know if there's certain things you don't buy sometimes i go in the children's department in the story you know they'll give you a good the hair will stand up on the back your neck uh... what i guess i'm trying to say is that when i heard about this a i come down the pike and uh... it seemed like other some of the makers of the work complaining that it was getting out of control and getting ahead of them and taking off on their own i said wow i can see this is totally demonic and So like you said, you can use it sometimes for good, but I personally have tried to stay away from it completely. I don't even want a smartphone. But I just have to say that I've seen the demonic element in this for years, and that I could connect it with Revelation and all the things that we've seen in Revelation that don't make a lot of sense, and would have never made sense a hundred years ago to any of our family members. But I mean, I can just see that it's something we need to be very careful about, and thank you. We need to pray for our Congress as we call them and as we contact them. We need to be praying for them, that God will open their hearts to hear us. Thank you, Lori. Appreciate it. God bless you. You're welcome. Bye-bye now. Just to be clear, tech researchers in the industry have not stopped shouting. They are shouting, and they're still shouting. It's just that Congress has ignored them. That's why the American public, people like you out there in your homes, have got to be a voice. because you're the voters that they are worried about, has got to contact them to stop this madness. ChristianAction.org, you'll find a petition there for your reading and review. Bob in Milwaukee, you're on the air. Oh, hi. This is Bob Ehrman, and I own my own AI company. It's a Christian-based company. and uh... and i'm right with you and i'm looking at the website i want to find a petition because it is a bit of a big issue i do use it for good uh... helping do different things research in that kind of thing but uh... and there's some people that are are fighting along uh... this issue of uh... face book opening itself and i agree one hundred percent that this is i've been in tech for over forty two years And I've never seen anything like AI. I think most of us who are in tech have never seen anything like AI. So my question was, I've been continuing this research and I noticed that now companies are using one DNA to store data. So forget the big data fields, they're actually using human DNA and attributing it to Mother Nature. And they are also using brain cells to accelerate the speed of processing. Those are two areas that we need to be concerned about, because they're actually using God's design, and obviously telling it that it's Mother Nature. And they're violating what Genesis 6 did, where that DNA and angels, you know, the whole thing of DNA and angels, in Genesis 6. But it's actually happening at a conference, And these small companies came up and said, yeah, we're using DNA for storing our information, and we're using brain cells to process the speed of these computers. It's actually exceeding quantum levels of speed. Bob, let me have our guest comment on it. Thank you for the call. I think there's no question out there that what you're saying is true. I know somebody's out there at all times trying to figure out how to ramp up the system. and try to figure out, will this work, will that work? And using brain cells and DNA to speed it up. Yeah, I think there's still a question that people are researching that right now. How long that will be, will it be after they actually achieve AGI or ASI? I don't know. Could it be before? If possible. Arnie Zuckerberg right now has to answer to that question because he's super-duper involved in it. Yeah, thank you, Bob, for bringing that up. Let's go to John in Texas. John, you're on the air. Hi, thanks, Jim. So what we need is revival, and in order to get revival, we need to repent and set cloth on ashes. Yeah. Yeah. Repentance so badly needed. Thank you for raising that issue. And it's an element in all of this here, too. Martin, you mentioned before about this being a spiritual battle, and we do have the offensive weapons of the Word of God. We have prayer that is before us as well, and it's important that we commit these matters in prayer. Yeah, and it's important that pastors speak out, because, look, they're one of the biggest megaphones out there, right? And they should be educating their congregants about this, because it really isn't something you can just put on the table, forget about, and say, oh, this is just another, you know, social issue out there that I don't want to plague my congregants with. This is a life-and-death type issue, and they need to take this seriously. They need to make sure that their followers and church members know what this is about and get on this project right away to stop Zuckerberg from releasing this as an open source machine. Martin Moyer is with us, friends. Our theme is starting up right now. We're closed to the program, so we apologize to other callers on hold here. We're not able to grab any more phone calls, but friends, you're informed, and you can get more information by going to the website christianaction.org. christianaction.org. You'll find a petition there as well. Martin, thank you so much for bringing this to our attention today. Thank you. pleasure having me on this show. I really enjoyed it, and I enjoyed your listener call-ins as well. Thank you very much. Martin's with the Christian Action Network. Thanks for listening. You've been listening to Crosstalk via satellite and the internet from VCY America. Views expressed may or may not be those of this station. For a CD of today's program, send a donation of six dollars or more to VCY Tape Ministry, 3434 West Kilbourne Avenue, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53208. Or download by RSS or podcast from crosstalkamerica.com. And join us again for Cross Talk!