The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live! Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at calm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, how are you doing? It's a nice day, at least for me it is, a nice day here. We've just been shopping and stuff. And now I'm doing radio. Hey, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is just give me a call at 877-207-2276. You can also email me if you have a comment or a question. You can email me at info at karm.org. Info at com.org and just type in in the subject line radio comments or radio question. All right, see? All right, so we got calls coming in right now. Why don't we just jump right on and get to Travis from North Carolina. Travis, welcome. You're on the air. How we doing, Matt? I'm doing all right, hanging in there, man. What do you got? Dude, did my letter make it to you? Your what? No, my letters the guy calling from prison. Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. My wife said hey look We got two letters from a prison so I have to get to them. In fact, I'm gonna suck There it is, hey Travis Get in my hand right now, okay All right, I'm gonna check him out I was reading a little pocket dictionary of theological terms and I came across something that didn't give too much information about it. It gave a basic definition. I was wondering if you could takes down a little bit for me on superlapsarianism and infralapsarianism, and which one you hold to. Superlapsarianism and infralapsarianism generally are within the Reformed camp, theologically, and it deals with what's called the order of God's decrees, the order of His decisions, logical decisions versus temporal. So, supra means before, infra means in, or after, I should say after, okay? So, infralapsarianism and superlapsarianism, alright. Does God elect people Does he do that by deciding before the world exists, before the consideration of the world and all the people in it, and chooses whom he's going to elect, or does he look into the world and picks those within the world for whatever reasons he has? That those are the difference. So before how does that work right and I? Don't really hold either one because I think that all of God's knowledge is eternally the same and that I see truth in both of them. Let's put it that way. Because he would know all that he would create and who he'd create. And it's also concomitant with his infinite knowledge and decrees. And so therefore, in that, the election is simultaneously known before, in, through, fall, after everything. So I don't see how super or infra solves some issues. OK, that's just me. OK. All right. All right. Well, I greatly appreciate it. And I hope everything is going good with your prayers. And I look forward to hearing back from you. And I will talk to you in the next week or so. All right, man. God bless, buddy. God bless. God bless. All right. I do. I actually like it when guys in prison are listening and when they call and they write. I mean, I don't have a whole bunch of time to answer a lot of letters, but I did nine years of prison ministry in California, up and down California, all kinds of places just for nine years. Taught Bible studies, just did all kinds. And then I did some stuff here in the Idaho area, and I was there for a year or two where I'd go in once a week and hold a study and preach or teach, do a Q&A and things like that. And I've always felt comfortable with the guys in there. I've never felt threatened. No, just once. Once I felt threatened by a guy. But that, you know, just once in nine years. But I've always felt comfortable with them, even when I'm under the gun. That's a phrase they know and so you know in out the yard the whole bit. It's not ever been a problem and So praise God in fact in fact I actually learned to my opinion be a better preacher in prison going to prison ministry Because these guys it's really interesting the guys I like it that they say what they they think and I loved that. And they would come up and they'd say, I really like what you said about whatever, or this or that, or what about this thing? Are you sure about this? They were really listening. And I loved that. And they accidentally called me to be a better preacher and a better teacher. And I was always thankful for that. So, anyway, there you go. Hey, look, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. Let's get to Alan from Virginia. Alan, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. How's it going? It's going, man. I'm hanging in there. Where you got, buddy? Um, I want to, I want to ask a question. Are you, do you do any one-on-one private sessions for learning? No, no, I do. If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it so that a lot of people can hear. And, uh, the only one-on-one I do is one-on-two and that's in marriage counseling. That's the only time I really do that. Unless I happen to just be talking to somebody, you know, and I go, let me explain this or that, that kind of a thing. So, Do you have any study groups that you work with? I teach a Bible study the third Thursday here at the house. People come over. We don't put it online, you know, because it's just an impromptu discussion. And then I go online, for example, I'm on Clubhouse right now, and there's a lot of, let's just say, antagonistic people. who hate reform theology, and then there's a lot of Muslims, there's a lot of Catholics and stuff like that, so it's kind of a Wild West situation, but I go in there and I handle it, and then I go to Discord, and Discord, I was on last night for a couple of hours, debating teaching and things like that, and you know, rooms 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 people will come in, things like that, and we have discussions. I used to, I was in your Discord for a while, but not too much was happening. I actually was in the same channel as you once, but I think you were busy doing something. I try not to do an absolute regular thing because my life is a little chaotic sometimes. I've got a wife with health problems and sometimes I'm just exhausted and I don't go online. So I had to have a mental acuity level that has to be ready because it takes a lot of mental energy and work to answer questions, because when someone asks me a question, you know, what's two plus two, it's four, done, next. When they ask me a question, what's the relationship between, there's like four or five layers of information that I have to sift through in my mind, and then how do I deliver it in a particular order? And so it takes a lot of mental work. So sometimes I'm just too tired, you know? So. Yeah, I feel you. Was that group, I think you had something, was it something in Romans that was on? Rumble, that I thought was a good state. I taught to the book of Romans for about a year. That's on Rumble. And I've taught to other books as well. And when I do it at the house here, it takes me a lot of work to prep, usually an entire day. And what I'll do is when I teach is, at least in the house, is I will work up an outline on paper, and with each verse and the comments in that verse, and then I have to convert, I put it in Word, I print that up, but I also have to convert it to an online study, so anybody online can watch. And really, just to be straight, not a lot of people would watch, and not a lot of people were attending here. Five, six, seven, eight, nine. And so this went on for about a year, and that's fine. But after a while I go, I'd rather do something where more people can be influenced. Because that's what I want to do, is teach more and more people. Makes sense. Well, I appreciate it, Matt. So what do you want to learn? uh... right now i initiated a conversation where there was uh... it was on the other discordant someone many mean about the uh... but mean about like you soldiers fighting like a giant afghanistan someone mentioned it was like kate the nephilim or whatever and then i a m i commented a little bit about that and someone that that uh... it's uh... non-canonical story because it's from the book of enoch or whatever and they got into the conversation where someone was talking about sorcery and then someone said they were eastern orthodox and they made the comment that I don't believe eastern orthodox follows all of scripture. Good. And then so I'm kind of getting into that as I wanted to study some eastern orthodox right now and I've looked at some of your resources. I'm on your I'm on a third debate you did with some people right now, listening to it. Okay. What church do you go to? I do not go to a church at this moment, but I am wanting to find one again. Okay. Because let me ask you, do you know, we have nobody waiting and we've got a break coming up, so do you know that Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy each preach a false gospel? Do you know that? I believe it. Good, good, good, good. And you affirm the Trinity, right? Yeah. Okay. And do you know the doctrine of justification well? I don't know it as well as you, and I probably get some things wrong with it, but it occurs at the same time or right after you gain a regenerated nature, right? if incompetent with yes that's good yet don't i feel yes you got me thinking and uh... on my cut and paste section i don't have anything on eastern orthodoxy so my notes on you know are over a hundred pages long so maybe tonight a local work on uh... doing uh... minor outline just cut and paste stuff to put in there so that uh... you and others could could uh... use it Well, I find it interesting. I love talking to Eastern Orthodox people. I do. I think it's fascinating. And I have a way, I can tell you, I have a way of proving that they're not loyal to Christ, but they're loyal to their church. I have a way of proving it. I can show it to you if you want. Sure. I know they're not going to accept that as evidence, but sure. Oh, but they have to, and it works great. I did it with Catholics, and I do it with Eastern Orthodox. I did it last night with a Catholic, as a matter of fact, on Discord. I said, look, is Jesus God? Yes. Does Jesus have all authority in heaven and earth? Yes. Does he say to pray to him? Yes. Does he forgive sins? Yes. If you were to pray to Jesus, you're sincere, I mean you have a real sincere faith, and you are asking Jesus specifically, asking him to forgive you of all of your sins, will he do that? That's a question. And I find that about half of them won't answer the question. And about half do. The ones who don't, for obvious reasons, because they're loyal to their church, they're ecclesiologists, they worship their church, they serve their church, it's their church, their church, their church. But for those who say, well, yes, he will forgive you. I say, OK, if he does, then why do we need your church? Can't we go straight to Jesus? Because Jesus said in Matthew 11, 28, come to me, all who are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Not the church that gives you rest. Jesus does. But it's not enough. You have to do stuff. Uh-huh. And I say, oh, well, then you go to Romans 4, 5. In Romans 4, 5, it says, to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness. So now the question I'm asking with that verse is, does Paul negate works when he's speaking about justification here? That's the question I started asking, and they have to answer in the affirmative. Hold on, man, we've got a break, OK? If you want to know some more, we can talk about it. Oh, good. Nobody waiting. Hold on. Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show. We have wide open lines, except for Alan's still waiting, hopefully. If you want, you give me a call, 877-207-2276. All right, let's get back to Alan. Hey, you still there? Yep. All right, man. Okay, so where were we? Talking about proving EO is false. Oh yeah, proving EO is false, yes. If you want information on that, I can do that if you want. But here's the thing, you always have to know biblical theology. See, I'll tell you, but it's really important that you study. I got an idea for you that I think is a good idea. What I'd recommend that you do is you can do it on Google Docs or you can do it on Word or whatever it is. I have Word documents that I use. And so, for example, my Eastern Orthodox document is 148 pages in Word. and it's in outline form. So what I do is, when I learn something, I create a category and I put it a heading one and then I put a level two on it, you know, indent, and I put notes. And on the left side of my screen I can put the navigation. So I'm like, for example, I'm scrolling through my document right now through the navigation. And so I'm clicking on Salvation. And it instantly takes me to that page. And the page, I don't know where it is. It's like a hundred and something, whatever. It's only 70, I don't know. And so it takes me there instantly. And so I have the documentations and I have stuff like questions about salvation. I have them in there with them. I also have the issue of just salvation. And I have quotes from their sources. And the reason this is so valuable is because as you use it, as you develop it, say you talk to an EO person and you want to know what they believe. What I have done, for example, is gone through and asked EO representatives, tell me what it is for salvation. I want to write it down and then I'm going to read it back to you and you tell me if it's correct or not. I've done this with three, what's that? Getting it from the source basically instead of presupposing, right? Right. And I've also gone to official stuff, official East Orthodox sites. So, for example, here's one. Adam lost the proper relationship with God through his sin. Jesus restored the ruptured relationship through his resurrection. Therefore, by participating in the energies of God, that's the graces that lead to good works, you slowly become divinized. being made more like jesus ontologically and in this process become justified. What is ontologically? Ontos means the nature being in essence. It's metaphysics. So what's the nature of a bowling ball? What's the nature of a cat? What's the nature of a tree? They're ontos. They're essence. The nature of something. and properties relate or emanate from the Antos, from the essence of what something is. So a circle, we'll use it really simply, a circle, we call it an abstract entity or an abstract object. When we say object, it's not something you can hold in your hand. A circle is an abstraction. And we can see representations of it when we draw a circle on a piece of paper. So by definition, a circle, the ontos, has the quality of circularity and a radial point equal, distant from the edge to the center point in all directions. So that's properties of radius and the properties of circularity. Well, those properties would not apply to a triangle, for example, or at least to a square, which has four 90-degree angles. And each side is equidistant. And that's what a square is. So circularity Those are the nature of a circle, but not a square. So you can't take the properties of a circle and transfer them over to the properties of a square, for example. And this kind of stuff is important because when they say that the bread and the wine become the body and the blood, they're saying the properties are transferred there without the essence. But if they say the essence is there, then they're saying the essence is there without the properties. And both are logically impossible. What are your thoughts about gaining natures since everyone has a sin nature but some gain a regenerate nature but don't lose their sin nature? Yes, that's the duality of our non-resurrected state. And so in Revelation 7, 18-25, Paul talks about the things he doesn't want to do, he does, and the things he wants to do, he doesn't. He's struggling with his sin nature. We are sinful and fallen, and yet, at the same time, in us is God. Because the temple of what we are is indwelt by God, because the blood of Christ has cleansed the temple, cleansed our souls. So God lives in us, John 14, 23. So he is there. And so we are aware of the work of the spirit in us and through us, and also in our own souls and fallenness that we, let's say, struggle. OK? So if I made this argument then, And they would be like, oh, so you can gain nature. So why can't I gain divinity? Yeah, they're going to say theosis, but we are not. Our nature is human. Our nature is not divine. Divinity belongs to God alone because that's His nature. Divinity is triune by nature. That's what it is. We cannot become divine because we can't then become Trinitarian. We can't become Trinity. It's impossible. But when this guy made a mistake, he says, being made more like Jesus ontologically. No, no, no. We can be made more like Jesus in character, in our behavior, in our attitudes, but ontos deals with nature. So he made a mistake. And he either doesn't understand the terms, or whatever. I'm just going to repeat these. This is what you're saying? Yes. Ontologically? Yes. Okay. And I go on. These are supposed to be guys who know their stuff. so this is why if you want to know how to do this stuff two things are critical as a basis theology and logic theology and logic they go hand in hand you have to study both and if you study both and you learn them you'll be able to adapt to 80 to 90% of all objections and all issues. And so with an outline, you need to do this. Get an outline going. And then you write down the word, whatever it is, trinity. And then you go to CARM, you go to other websites, learn what the trinity is. You word it in such a way that you understand what it is. Or if you copy it from CARM, that's fine. Just put a little documentation, copy it from here. People say, where'd you get that? Right here. And if someone asks you a question about that, then you write the question down in that subcategory of the Trinity, and then you research it and you find an answer. This is how you learn. And you want the outline always available, because then you can go back to it. So I have outlines. My stuff on Roman Catholicism is 230 pages. I can't remember all of that. So this is what I use all the time. I have them open a lot of times on radio too. I'm going through and it makes me sound smart. So hold on, we got another break, okay, hold on. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, buddy. Welcome back to the show. All right. Alan, we've been having a good time here. So I don't know if you have any more you want to add or ask. Sure. Yeah. A comment on what you were finishing on. I think I definitely should create an outline, as it should help be a crutch at least for my terrible memory, it would help provide things to references. Absolutely. Because that's one thing I really wish I was granted is a better memory, because it's like a 1 out of 10, man. It's really bad. Well, here's the thing. The more you do, the better it will get. That's just a fact. So just, if you go to the gym and you do curls, you start crying for mommy the next day because you're hurting. You keep doing that, not crying for mommy. You keep working out, after a while your body, yeah, no problem. Your brain will do the same thing. It'll do the same thing. It will. If you don't use it that way, you don't. See, I can remember numbers. I remember once I was fanning through the Bible, just bang, bang, page, page, page. I saw a verse, looked at the number, kept going. I remembered it the next day. I did. I went, whoa. And so, because I do it all the time, But, you know, like being nice to my wife. I'm rarely nice. I don't know what that means. So I have to practice it a lot. You know, I gotta learn. Make sense? I got you. Okay. Yep. Do you have any, I know you, I'm assuming with all your articles, you probably have some articles on laws of logic in relation to theology, but it's like, would you recommend any other sources to learn that? Um, we have a course, you know, we have a course, Critical Thinking, on karma, you can go to that, learn.karma.org, we charge for them. But I also say this to everybody, that anybody who wants them and can't afford them, just email us. Just say, can I have the schools match on the radio? Can't afford them, just ask. We give them to you. We don't ask. We're not concerned about that. So if you need them, that's one of the things you can do. You can also look up the laws of logic on karma, and look up the transcendental argument for God's existence. And look up that and go through those things and that'll be a good good basis I'd also recommend getting the book by John frame my old seminary professor The apologetics to the glory of God Okay, and look up. Okay priest presuppositional apologetics That will really help you. All right Okay. Do you think that everyone comes to debates with presuppositions? Everybody does. Everybody has to assume certain values consistent with their worldview. Values that they cannot verify as being true. Outside of their worldview, they have to assume their value. So, for example, the laws of logic or the universals like redness, roundness, tree-ness. People assume these universal values they assume the uniformity of nature That science is based on philosophical assumptions of uniformity and the laws of logic and things like this. Everybody does this was Christian We presuppose we assume the validity that Christian Trinitarian God Which I'd also recommend you go to Carmen look up the Christian Trinity examined in depth That would be worth you studying. Okay, it really would be and And so when we presuppose that, and then we argue from that perspective, everything makes sense. But if you don't presuppose Trinitarianism, then everything falls apart. Okay? I can get the dots on that, it just takes a while. Okay? Okay. I appreciate it. Is there any other comments you have for me? Just study, pray, and keep what I... Your outline is what I used to call an ignorance notebook. Ignorance. I don't know what I don't know. God's going to show me what I don't know, and then I would see, ah, I need to know that, put it in my ignorance notebook, which obviously is pretty big. Okay? Okay. Make sense? I appreciate all your help, Matt. All right, man. God bless. You too. All right. All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Vernell in North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. And I'm back again. I have a question. It's in Genesis 1, 26. Help me to decipher this. OK. Twenty six say, and God said, so we know God. That's one speaking. Let us a little perplexed with the us, make man in our image as our likeness. Please help me, I've been bothered with that for years. Help me understand that. Sure, not a problem at all. So when we go to Genesis 1-26, we're gonna find something very interesting, all right? And so what we find is this, that God, now the word God is Elohim. And the I-M ending in Hebrew is a plural ending. So the word for face, F-A-C-E. is panim it's plural because there's plural aspects to it but it's one thing so God said now check this out how many times is our plurality let us make man in our image according to our likeness there's three plurals used this is reflective of the Trinity How does that come about? Because, you know, I sort of like the Trinity going on with the new and not the old. Well, let's talk about that next, okay? But let's stick with Genesis 126. So what we're seeing here hints at the Trinity. God said, let us, the plurality of the persons. So God is one being with three distinct simultaneous co-eternal persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, okay? Let us make man in our image according to our likeness, three plurals. And let them, man, And man there, see what's really interesting, let them, okay, and that is singular. Make man in our image according to our likeness. Let them rule over the fish, over the sea, over the birds of the sky, cattle, over everything. All right, so when it says we're made in his image, what that's called, what we deal with here is what's called the communicable attributes. so god has communicable attributes and in communicable or non communicable they call him incommunicable so the communicable attributes of god are he can love we can love he can hate we can hate he can think we can think he can feel we can feel the incommunicable attributes are he's omnipresent we are not he's omnipotent we are not Okay, so the communicable attributes are the image things, the image qualities that we possess that are from God that we, in His image, can participate in. We don't do them perfectly, but that's what that's talking about. The attributes that belong to God that can be communicated to us. And it's not as though the properties of God are transferred to us, but the attributes of His nature Or we receive them as an image form. They're not transferred to us. That would be heresy Okay, but they are just something that we emulate that God makes us able to think because it's Something God can do and so it's called a communicable attribute the quality of God that we can participate in though we're not divine, and the properties are not imputed to us from God, but they are designed in us after His. He's the mold. We're the imprint of the mold in the issue of the image in those areas that can be communicated to us. We can love, and think, and feel, and stuff like that. Beautiful. Yeah, because that threw me off. And I was looking at this show, what, something about the encounters. We have, they bring in a lot of Christian uh... scriptures uh... like the alien stuff the egyptians the old back in you know how a lot of things were built back in the day it didn't come from man knowledge is that the omniscient god that we know? that stuff you should stay away from that stuff because people who talk about those kind of things they're usually not very biblically minded i've heard stories and i've heard shows and stuff i'm like you're messing up here theologically there are people who know not that you don't care what the singer's name there but here's the thing so but I'm not sure which source you're looking at because sometimes it can be good though but UFOs we can talk about UFOs I can tell you what those probably are and where they come from and things like that we can talk about all kinds of stuff okay but yeah that's what anyway Genesis 126 there you go that's basically what it is okay Okay, and I have to say this to end. Okay, Matt, real quickly, I have to say for all the people that go against you, they're fighting against the Word of God with you fighting the Word. When we got all this craziness going on in the world, that energy should be used where these people say, death to America, burning the flag. I just don't get it why they're wasting, just like you took the time to make this show, they could do the same thing to create their own. Yeah, it's because there are evil people in the world. That's why. Yeah. All right. There's a break. We've got to go. So God bless. OK. God bless you too. Bye bye. All right. Thanks. OK. Bye. All right, folks. Hey, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get on with Catherine from Canada. Catherine, welcome. You're on the air. Hello. Hi. Hi. I've got a question about near-death experiences. Sure. Are they biblically valid? yes uh... let's go to second corinthians twelve two in that uh... and i'm gonna modify what i'm saying but yes and uh... we don't cause the bible says it says i know a man in christ who fourteen years ago whether in the body i do not know or out of the body i do not know god knows Such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man, whether in the body or apart from the body, do not know, God knows, was caught up into paradise and heard inexpressible words which a man is not permitted to speak." That is what we would call an NDE. Not a problem. What about the NDEs that people have nowadays? Well, if they agree with scripture, they're true. If they don't agree with scripture, they're false. That would be the basic rule we go with. A lot of Christians are going to say they don't happen, but there's a biblical basis for it. We know it can. In or out of the body, there you go. What are you going to say? So I've studied NDEs, and I've read some books on it. and there's a wide variety of accounts. Some agree with scripture and some contradict scripture. And then we would have to examine each one and go through and comment and things like that, but there's the basics, okay? Okay, that's great. That's what I believe as well. I don't know, you must know Randy K. No. You've heard of Randy K? Well, I may or may not, because I read books, but I'm just not good with names, that's all. Okay. Well, he vets every experience by the Word of God and puts those experiences on his YouTube. And they're very compelling and I believe them. And I'm going to go to his conference, but I just thought I should, you know, I thought they were biblically valid too, but I guess that's the only verse that you can, it's just whether in the body or out of the body. Well, yeah, it's the primary one I go to. You can also go to 1 Samuel 28, and it's where the witch of Endor summons Samuel. And then you go to Matthew 17, where Moses and Elijah appear to Jesus. So there are accounts of people continuing on afterwards. The question is, an NDE is us seeing something and then coming back. That's different. The only way I know like that is in 2 Corinthians 12. And some of the books I've read, they've commented about people born blind. And they have an operation. They'll die on the table for a few minutes. They're revived, et cetera. And they're still blind. But they will describe what they saw. I saw so-and-so in the halls over there, in the rooms. And you've probably read about those, too. Well, those are the ones that I think are really compelling, that really proves that these things are true. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I just want to make sure that, you know, I'm on the right side of things. Like, I know that there's lots of danger in spiritual experiences and things like that. And also, I mean, I've heard the quote, it says, we are not, what is it? We're not physical beings having a spiritual experience. We're spiritual beings having a physical experience. But I don't know if I like that quote. Yes, but we are designed by God to be physical. Right. So we are both physical and spiritual, but we can exist apart from our physical body. But the way we're going to be permanently existing is in a physical body, a resurrected, glorified physical body. Okay? Yes. I don't know who this guy is. If you could, if you could, I don't know if you want to email him. Yeah, Randy K. I don't know if he's good or not. All right. Well, I really think so, but I just wanted your opinion. But if you don't know, well, what you've said, I think he would like him. Well, I mean, everything by the Bible. He bet everything. A lot of people say it, and I'm not saying he's good or bad. I'm just saying I like to check people out. And see if you could like email me just here's his website or whatever. Then I can go check him out and make sure he's not a Roman Catholic or, you know, or some new wage worker. I don't know. I'm going to check him out. He didn't believe in these things until he had a near death experience. And so now he believes. I mean, he was a hospital something or other. He was, you know, pretty scientific about things, but then he believed it, like his whole life fell apart sort of thing, and then he met Jesus, so. Anyway, I just, you know, I want to be on the right side of things, that's all, by biblical account, so. I believe that I am, but I just wondered if you'd heard of him. No, I haven't, but I found his website, so I'm looking online, and what I could do is just ask him a few questions, make sure he's within orthodoxy, and go, great. But he's from my own stomping grounds down in Southern California, too. I see. Oh, yeah. I think he's from Chicago originally, I believe. I think he was born and raised in Chicago. Not sure. Anyway, yeah, I'm going to go to his conference. I'm looking forward to it. And so, you know, I feel a little bit, pardon? Where's the conference? It's in San Diego. Okay. Yeah. I just feel a little bit nervous telling people what I'm going to, because it sounds weird, you know? That's all right, I get it. I mean, I'd like to go to something like that and just to do some research. You know, you could fly down there and hang out, you know? I mean, I'd like to research that more. Yeah, well, there's compelling stories. Sure. Like, really compelling stories. I mean, they're absolutely, like, just, there's no doubt in my mind, like, these people have told, like, they didn't believe it until it happened. Anyway, there's really good stories and there's speakers that are going to be there. So I'm really looking forward to it. OK. Great. Yeah. I'll check it out. OK. Appreciate it. All right. Thanks. Thanks very much. All right. Well, God bless. OK. All right. Now let's get to Alberto. Alberto, welcome here on the air. Yeah, good even match. They match your question. If a, if a, if a person was being possessed and got like 40 demons and can get that person, uh, happened to, you know, uh, confront us, uh, full growns, male, full, but, uh, silverback gorilla, what they, what they get the gorilla, uh, uh, run for his money or not. Well, um, I've never been asked a question like that before. It's an interesting question. Can 40 demons inside of a person take on a silverback gorilla? Yeah, a full-grown silverback gorilla. Yeah, that'd be interesting. Probably, I would think the silverback would destroy the human, even with demonic forces. I mean, I don't know. because that doesn't mean their bones are going to be strong in a person. A silverback could just, you know, just throw them all over the place. Snap his arm in half easily. Yeah. Yeah. I used to work out with a couple of gorillas in the gym back in the day. Uh, one guy, uh, he was shot and, uh, when he, it was a misunderstanding of something happened, I won't get into all the details, and he was shot and part of his lung was blown out and sitting on the sidewalk. And, uh, you know, the guy who shot him and, you know, all this stuff. And I said, dude, what happened to you? He goes, well, I got mad, so I beat him up, you know, and, uh, stuff like that. But, um, so uh... yeah uh... are not something that are entertained as a thought uh... if even possessed people can beat up a silverback gorilla it's not uh... not something i've really pondered on too much so even though he's even possessed by a silverback gorilla he's got strength because a silverback gorilla has strength of twenty men they say but still he's got the teeth you know and but even with the for my people possessed but he's still like you say he's still got he's still human he's still just bones you can snap in a way regardless right yeah i mean i don't know i i i don't know i don't know how that would work okay so all i can do is just um is just kind of uh meander around the the issue kicking stones at it while i'm talking Yeah. And you know, the guy that that that possessed God, that they have a legion of demons and they're burying and Jesus cast out all the demons. We've got a legion. I want to say I'm just a legion in a way, really. When people say a legion, that's a lot. People say 12,000, people say 6,000. I don't know. It's huge. Yeah, that's right. It's a large number. Yeah. Look it up. Yeah. So is he the only person they know of in history that had that much demons in him? Do you know of? Or have you ever heard somebody else? That's the only person you know of in history that had that much demons in him. I don't know. I just looked it up. A legion is considered 6,000 soldiers. So could 6,000 demons beat up a silverback? I would assume so. But depends on what kind they are. I don't know. Are they weaklings? What if he's a demon of apathy? He wouldn't want, he wouldn't care, you know? So the demon that guy had, I was not sure what type of demons he had. and specify what kind of D.V.C. it has. Okay. Yeah. Alright. It's just... It would be so far out there that I don't even know really how to really kind of tackle it. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Alright. Thank you. Keep up the great work, Max Lidd. Okay. Alright. Thanks. Alright. God bless. Alright. Well, that was interesting. It was an interesting discussion. But hey, at least I learned something. A legion is 6,000 soldiers. I looked it up. So, man, that would be interesting. Mark 5, 9. You know, we are a legion, he says, to the demon stuff and stuff like that. I wonder. Man, that's a lot. And Jesus is able to cast them all out. Let me check this out here. Mark 5, 9. What's your name? He said, my name is Legion for we are many. Now, it doesn't mean that the demonic force or forces was telling the truth. Could have been they were lying. You know, I mean, they're liars. So they could have been three and they said, we're Legion, you know, who knows? But that's 6,000 people. So I don't know. I don't know. It's not something I really entertained too much about before. All right. The NDE thing is interesting. I'm going to check out that individual and just see. One of the things I do want to do is go to Roswell for the annual UFO convention. That would be fun. I'd fit right in. Just wear my aluminum foil hat, you know. My wife, if I were to say, hey, I want to go to Roswell, she'd go, of course. I can see you doing that. So, you know, my wife's always got my back. So she's always supportive. Hey, hon, after that, I want to go to the new age convention. Okay, most guys, they want to go to a sports event, right? Me, I'm going to Roswell for the UFO convention. Then I want to go to the new age convention. And then I want to go to the end. So yeah, my wife just a lot of times she goes, Uh huh. Yeah. Okay, that's good. It just rolls off her back. You know, and I said, I say, how would you describe it to your friends? She just pauses and stares. It wouldn't be easy. So there you go. All right, folks, having fun there. Hey, may the Lord bless you. And by his grace, we're back on there tomorrow. And we'll talk to you then. So have a good evening, everyone. God bless. Bye. Another program powered by the Truth Network.