Okay, turn with me once again this evening to the book of Jude. The book of Jude, where in just a minute, I'm gonna be reading from verses eight through 16. Let me just remind you of the context here. In our last couple of studies, we've been looking at the specific reason given by Jude for his writing of this letter. And what was that? Well, it was written to warn his readers, which certainly includes us by extension, It was written to warn us of the dangers posed by certain men who had crept into the church unnoticed for the sole purpose of leading the brethren astray. These ungodly persons, Jude writes, had turned the grace of God into licentiousness and denied our Master and Lord Jesus Christ. Jude then provides us with three examples from history which prove that These kinds of activities always end in divine judgment. Anytime there have been inroads made into the gathering of the people of God, it always ends in disaster for the one making those inroads. Now, some people might say, well, look at the church today. There are plenty of examples of false teachers inhabiting both pulpits and pews in churches today. And it doesn't seem as though anything's being done about it in terms of divine retribution or justice. Well, again, this is where we leave it to the Lord, right? Their day is coming. And as I said, historically, it can be verified that such things never end well. They always end in divine judgment. This was true among the Jews who in spite of being freed from their captivity in Egypt, refusing to believe they perished in the wilderness. It was true of the fallen angels who left their heavenly abode ostensibly so that they could come down to earth and have carnal relations with the sons or the daughters of men, creating the Nephilim, right? And it was true of those of Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them who likewise, we're told, indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh. These three, Jude says, are the examples. They're exhibited as God's eternal wrath via the punishment of eternal fire on each. Now in verse eight, Jude kind of backs up a little bit and he wants to return his thoughts to these certain persons who had crept into the church unnoticed, comparing them to or better, placing them in the same category as the examples given. Listen to what he says beginning in verse 8. He says, Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties. But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil, and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke you. But these men revile the things which they do not understand, and the things which they know by instinct. Like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed. Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feast when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves, clouds without water carried along by winds, autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted, wild waves of the sea casting up their own shame like foam, wandering stars for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever. It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. These are grumblers, finding fault, following after their own lusts. They speak arrogantly, flattering people for the sake of gaining an advantage. Not very kind words, right? These people who would make inroads into the church to lead astray the people of God are all these things and more. And over the next couple of weeks, we're gonna be exploring in greater depth most of the last part of that passage. But beginning in verse eight, I want to focus back on that particular verse. Jude explains precisely what had happened to these individuals who were making these pathways into the church to lead others astray. In other words, what was it? that caused them to behave in such a way. Well, he says this, he says, in the same way, that is like those who had gone before them, those that were just pointed out as examples, in the same way, these men also by dreaming defile the flesh and reject authority and revile angelic majesties. Three specific charges are brought to bear against these men. They were guilty of one, defiling the flesh, two, rejecting authority, and three, reviling angelic majesties. We'll talk about each of these in just a minute, but first let's talk about what Jude says actually led them to act in this way. He attributes this kind of behavior, oddly enough, to dreaming, dreaming. If you're reading from the KJV, you'll notice that Jude refers to these individuals as filthy dreamers, filthy dreamers. This is why I've entitled this evening's message, Beware the Filthy Dreamers. Now that's an odd way of describing or attributing to these people a rationale or a reason for their leading the people of God astray. Why does he call them dreamers? Well, it's actually simpler than we might think. They were called dreamers because by and large, these are the individuals who live in a dream world when it comes to actually understanding the truth of the word of God. These are people who have manufactured from whole cloth, their own understanding of who God is and what he teaches in his word. Again, they live in a dream world when it comes to how they perceive and understand both God and his word. As we've talked about a lot, especially on our Wednesday nights, The word of God must be the final arbiter of truth for all mankind. In other words, our presupposition going into any discussion about the Bible, going into any debates about the scriptures should be this God's word is infallible. God's word is inerrant and God's word is all sufficient. as the final arbiter of all truth for all men. If you don't have that presupposition, then you are doomed to all kinds of error. This is the problem with an evidentiary world. We live in a world where people don't hold to presuppositions as much as they follow the trail of evidence and wherever it leads them, they stake their claim there on the evidence. Faith, though, is the evidence of what? Things unseen. That right there tells you that you should be a presuppositionalist in your approach to the scriptures. In other words, God says it, that settles it. And because God says it, it's true, it's infallible, and it's all sufficient for everything that I think, say, or do, this side of glory. Instead of simply taking God at His word and obeying Him accordingly, these dreamers, in typical dream-like fashion, had manufactured a God of their own, a God of their own choosing, one who would accept them just the way they are, allowing them to live as they pleased and continue in the sins of the flesh. And as I pointed out last week, not much has changed, has it? I mean, here Jude is in the first century. The church is not that old in terms of its New Testament fulfillment. And here's Jude complaining about and warning against the very same things that we see in churches today. The church at large today is full, chock full of dreamers, the same kind of dreamers. Those who worship the gods of their own imaginations are filling churches at an alarming rate. A friend of mine posted something on Facebook recently that accurately describes much of our culture today. This post said, in our day, many believe that truth is not a matter of what is true, but of what one likes and what one wants. So our desires become the litmus test for truth. Our preferences become the litmus test for truth. Our subjective reasoning about the world that we see around us and passing that through this fleshly grid of morality that really is only loosely associated with the scriptures in most cases, those things serve as the final litmus test for the truth. one would have to agree that objective truth has taken a back seat to subjective morality. It's undeniable. I mean, this is the byproduct, after all, of postmodern thought. Postmodern thought, among other things, teaches that there are no such things as absolutes. And when you throw that statement out there, what you're saying is even absolute truth is just a figment of our imagination. There is no such thing as absolute truth. All truth is subjective. All truth must be passed through the grid of our own understanding and the grid of mankind's fallenness to determine whether it's true or not. And even then your truth might be different than my truth in a postmodern world, right? Now, how do these people square what they believe with the word of God? I mean, try as you might, you'll never be able to change the word of God unless of course you're a Jehovah's Witness and you write your own version of the Bible or you're a Mormon and you have your own version of the Bible. You can certainly change truth that way, but by and large, most of the preserved word of God is what it is and you can't change it. So if you can't change it, then how do you square what you believe with what the Bible actually says? Yeah, you take things out of context. You begin to twist and manipulate the scriptures to support whatever pet sin that you're trying to preserve. You'll hear people say things like, well, you know, the Bible is full of things that were unique to a particular culture. or a particular people to whom they were written. So even the scriptures themselves are dated and we must view them in that light. We need to understand, for example, as I've said before, that the Apostle Paul was really a misogynist. He was a chauvinist. And that's why there are passages in Paul's writings about women not being pastors in the church. It's all Paul's fault. It's not really an expression of God's will or desire for the church. That's just Paul making his own misogynistic and chauvinistic views known. And what do we do with those things? We're free to just jettison those things. Why? Because it fits my narrative. because it allows me then to ordain women and have them exercise authority in the church over men. If I can just say, well, that's just relegated to Paul's biases, then I'm free at that point to run the church any way I want to, right? You'll hear people arguing that it's all simply a matter of interpretation anyway, and nobody can know exactly what the scriptures are saying. How many times have you heard that? Well, that's just your interpretation. It might be, right? That's why we need to make sure that our interpretation is the interpretation. And that can be arrived at through, you know, a rigorous application of certain principles that we would all do well to understand and know. But by and large, when we rightly divide the word of truth, we arrive at the truth. It's really as simple as that. Others will insist that God's love far outweighs his other attributes, right? So in the end, it really doesn't matter how I live because God loves me and God will never stop loving me. Matter of fact, he loves me so much that it doesn't matter how I live my life, I'm guaranteed a seat in heaven. And when did all this begin? It began in the garden, didn't it? It began when the serpent approached Eve and Eve reiterated with her own mouth the prohibition God had made against eating of the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We shall not eat of that fruit for the day we do. We will die. And what did Satan do? Will you really? Is that really what God said? And then he rationalized with her, right? He said, no, God just doesn't want you eating of it because the day you eat of it, you'll become like him. Interestingly, that's exactly where Satan failed and ended up falling from glory himself, right? In trying to be like God. So in typical fashion, Satan wanted to take as many with him as he could and so he was instrumental in having Eve buy the whole idea of hook, line, and sinker. Of course, we have the comfort of knowing all of that was within the plan of God in some mysterious way. We don't know how it all works, but we know that Eve never would have fallen had it not been part of the preordained perfect plan of God. So we draw great comfort from that, but he is guilty. of leading her astray. And he's been doing the same thing with the people of God over and over and over and over by trying to convince them that what God has actually said in his word, he either doesn't mean it the way it's portrayed, or he didn't say it at all, right? From the time of Eve to the present day, Satan has used that same tactic. Now, how does this work itself out practically? Well, let's return to the three charges that are leveled at these dreamers. Once you become a dreamer and you convince yourself that the God of your imagination is actually the God of scriptures, what does that lead to? Well, first of all, Jude says, they defile the flesh. Another translation indicates that they were guilty of polluting their own bodies. Now this is an obvious reference to the similarities of these dreamers to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, right? Now understand their teaching wasn't so bold. This is where the subtlety comes in. The teaching of these who had infiltrated the church unnoticed wasn't so bold as to suggest that God actually condoned or was okay with sexual sin. What Jude is saying is that when they taught, their teaching often led to immorality. As a matter of fact, any teaching that is devoid of any mention of God's punishment for the sins of the flesh will naturally lead to license. Right? This is how they turned the grace of God into licentiousness. Oh, God loves you. It doesn't matter. God loves you. And he's duty bound. He's given us his word that we will be saved no matter what. So he's duty bound. He loves you. So it doesn't really matter. Well, what does that lead to? It leads to living according to the dictates of my flesh. Should we send the more that grace may abound? Why would Paul ever even suggest that from his imaginary antagonist? He suggested it because he knew that was what was in their minds. Oh, goody, grace, right? We can just sin with impunity and there will always be more grace. Paul says, God forbid that you would think that way. That's not the way it works. When the commandments of God are turned into suggestions, When God is presented exclusively as a God of love, whose duty bound to save even the most unrepentant sinner, this is where things get tragically skewed in the local church. And yes, it happens even in the local church. This is where that so-called concept of carnal Christianity comes from. You've heard that, right? The carnal Christian heresy. It actually comes from something Paul said to the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 3, 3. In 1 Corinthians 3, 3, the apostle Paul is actually chastising the Corinthians for their lack of spiritual growth and maturity. And when he does that, he says that they are acting carnally. People have taken that and they run with it. See right there, it says, Paul says, you can be a believer and be carnal. That's not what Paul's saying at all. Paul's saying, stop it. Amend your ways. Prove that you are children of God by not being carnal. Grow up. And you see how easily people turn that into license. Nope, Paul says they were being carnal. He's writing to Christians, so there must be an allowance in Scripture for carnality among Christians. See how easily that's twisted and maligned? This leads to the idea that not everyone who accepts Christ will show forth the requisite fruit that validates their profession. Not only that, in the minds of many, that's okay. That's okay. So Sally and Bob want to live together outside of marriage and be members of the local church? Fine, fine. Who am I to judge? Right? Who am I to judge Bob and Sally? My sins are greater even than theirs. So sure, come on in, be members of the church. Even though they're living in unrepentant sin, Premarital sex, ah, nobody's perfect. It's no worse than gluttony. We know the church is full of overeaters, right? This is the kind of thinking that was being introduced into the church by these dreamers. They had taken the ironclad commandments of God, the non-negotiable commandments of God, and turned them into mere suggestions. And isn't that what a lot of false teachers do today? They present the counsel of God. They present this book as a book full of suggestions to help you be whatever, fill in the blank, a better husband, father, employee, employer, grandfather, aunt, uncle, cousin, be better with your finances, you name it, right? It's just a book of suggestions on how to achieve your best self. Is that really what it's all about? No, it's a book about God's expectations for his creatures and how we can't meet those expectations unless and until we're covered by the blood of Jesus Christ who alone did meet those expectations. It's about God's commands and obedience to those commands or paying the price for disobedience. Well, the second charge leveled at these dreamers was that they rejected authority. This is really an interesting passage because the word authority here is not the word most often used as authority in scripture. The word most often used as authority in scripture is translated from the Greek word exousia. And exousia means power, authority, rule, reign. Right? It's spoken of in Romans 13, one, where we're told that there are no powers except those powers, which God has appointed over us. And we would do well to obey those authorities that have been appointed over us. But Jude doesn't use that word here in verse eight of our text. Instead, he uses the word kurioteta. You might hear the word kurios. Kurios means what? Lord. Lord. It's always used in connection with divine lordship. That narrows it down, right? So what is he saying? He's saying that these dreamers, in addition to defiling the flesh, these dreamers also rejected the lordship of Christ. He's told us the same thing back in verse four, right? Not only did they turn the grace of God into licentiousness, they denied our master and Lord, Jesus Christ. He's saying the same thing here. They reject the lordship of Christ. And how many professing believers are there today who have bought into the idea that it's perfectly possible and acceptable to have Jesus as one savior, but not acknowledge him as Lord. I don't think in my lifetime I've heard a more vapid and yet troubling theological argument. I don't think I've met or come across an argument that's being made in the church today that is more fundamentally flawed than the so-called anti-lordship argument. Think about that with me for just a minute. I'm not going to get into this in any great detail. But we have to, again, establish certain presuppositions, and among those presuppositions must be the truth that Jesus Christ is Lord. If you're here as an unbeliever tonight, guess what? Jesus is your Lord. One day, the Apostle Paul says, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Not that he became Lord, not that we began calling him Lord, not that we acknowledge him as Lord. He is Lord. So that's our presupposition. These false teachers have used this idea that Jesus can be Savior and not Lord as a means of comforting those to whom they minister. They'll say, look, what's important is that you're saved. Obedience might come later, but at least you're not going to hell now. You see how silly that is? Those in the anti-lordship camp are quick to point out that acknowledging Christ as Lord is not a prerequisite to being saved. And I would agree with that. This is where they get it wrong. The anti-lordship people don't even understand lordship salvation to begin with. When we use the term lordship salvation, we're not saying that you must acknowledge Jesus Christ to be Lord prior to being saved. We're just saying that one of the primary fruits that indicates that you have been saved is that you will call Jesus Christ Lord. You see the difference? So the anti-lordship crowd doesn't even understand the argument from the get-go. We simply say that the one who believes, who is indwelled by the Holy Spirit, and indeed Christ himself, will acknowledge his lordship. It's inescapable. Theirs is a gross mischaracterization of the issue of lordship. Think about it this way. As I said, Jesus is Lord. And this is something that is ascribed to him throughout the New Testament. Would you agree with that? Just do a quick study on how often the words Christ and Lord or Jesus and Lord are connected in the New Testament. and you'll quickly learn that this is simply who he is. This idea that one can have him as savior, but not acknowledge him as Lord is the same as claiming to have God as one's father, but denying at the same time that he's also creator. Doesn't make sense. Yeah, I have God as my father, but he's not my creator. Or, I have God as my Father, but He's not the Holy One of Israel. He's not Yahweh. He's not the Great I Am. It doesn't make any sense. At that point, you'd be asking, who are you talking about? It's obvious at that point that this is a God of your own imagination, because the God, the one true God, Ha Elohim, the one true God of Isaac, Jacob, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is one God. And He's known as all of those things. Father, Creator, Sustainer, Holy One, Adonai. Any of the other scriptural designations you want to apply to it. So why would this even be a question? Why would anyone even suggest that it's okay to deny the Lordship of Christ? Does anybody know? Why do people feel that it's perfectly okay to say, yep, Jesus is my savior, but I haven't yet acknowledged him as Lord. Why would anybody even suggest that? Yeah. They're filthy dreamers. Yes, Irma. Absolutely. That's the answer. Steve's is too, but that's another good answer. They want a convenient way to excuse their disobedience to him as Lord. This kind of brought up a funny memory of mine. When I was a really little kid, yes, for you young people, I was at one time a child, but when I was like four or five years old, maybe earlier, I remember believing with all my heart that as long as I closed my eyes, since I couldn't see anyone else, they couldn't see me either. Right? Right? So I'd do something that I wasn't supposed to do and I'd immediately clamp my eyes shut and just stand there. Because I thought the minute I did that, I vanished. Well, didn't take long to put that theory to the test. But all the while, I thought that, I mean, I was very happy in my delusion. Because guess what? For the longest, my mom would just ignore me. And in my mind I'm thinking, it worked. Right? I'd do something that was deserving of punishment and I'd go. And my mom thinking that, you know, she didn't want to push me over the edge, right? But she would oftentimes leave me alone and I thought, wow, it's working like a charm. What was I doing? I was a filthy dreamer. I was dreaming. I was living in la-la land. I was living in a world I had manufactured for myself where everything worked out the way that I needed for it to work out. These people are no different. They don't want Jesus as Lord because they don't want to be accountable to him. They want to continue in their carnal behavior at the same time having the fire insurance that Jesus as Savior provides. Folks, that's not biblical Christianity. It's just not. The dreamer feels that as long as he refuses to acknowledge Christ's Lordship, he's somehow in the clear. And this is the true danger of the rampant easy-believe-ism and carnal Christian mentality that infects so many churches today. What did Peter say in 1 Peter 3 15? As believers he said that we are to see that we take special care to sanctify Christ as Lord in our hearts. You remember not too long ago we talked about our relationship to Christ as his slaves, right? Let me ask you this very simple question. What kind of slave in his right mind would deny his master's authority over him. If it's true and it is that At salvation, we become slaves of Christ. We're translated from the kingdom of darkness in which we are slaves to Satan, and we're translated into the domain of the kingdom of God, and we're now Christ's slaves. Instead of being slaves to our sin, what kind of believer in his right mind would then deny that he is the very thing that God says he is in Scripture? Repeatedly. We've been bought with a price. First Peter 1, 18 and 19 tells us that we've been bought by the precious blood of Jesus Christ. And if we've been bought by the precious blood of Jesus Christ, to whom do we belong? Jesus Christ. In what relationship? With him as Lord. It's been rightly said that either Jesus is Lord of all or Jesus is not Lord at all. And this is true of every last individual for whom he died. In fact, if you want a little trivia to store up there in that noggin of yours, Here's something that might surprise you. The word savior comes from the Greek word soter. We get our word soteriology or the doctrine of salvation from that root word. The designation of savior is used only 24 times in the entire New Testament. Think about that. 24 times. The Lord is referred to as Savior. How many times does Paul use this in his letter to the Romans? Zero. In that all-important magnum opus of the Apostle Paul's, his letter to the Romans, not once does he mention Christ as Savior. How about John's gospel? One time. John 4, 42. One time. Now, by contrast, how many times does the word Lord, or kurios, appear in Scripture as a reference to Christ? In the New Testament alone. You got 24 uses of Savior, right? How many uses of Lord? 722. including 42 of those in Romans and 53 in John. Now what can we glean from that? Only this, that the New Testament is quite insistent that Jesus be acknowledged as Lord. Is He Savior? Absolutely. And aren't we grateful for that? But we need never forget that He is the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Much to the chagrin of the dreamers who might wish otherwise. Well, let's move to the third charge leveled at these dreamers. Jude also says that they revile angelic majesties. Some of your translations might use the word blaspheme, slander, revile, scoff at, whatever word is used. Jude's meaning here, it's still not as clear as his meaning is in the other two charges. But that being said, we can glean a lot of our understanding of his meaning from what follows. Look at what Jude says next. He gives the example of Michael the archangel. And he mentions this dispute or this argument that was taking place between Michael the archangel and Satan over the body of Moses. Now I have no idea what that's a reference to and neither do you. Right? Because it's not mentioned anywhere else in the scriptures. Now it is written in an apocryphal book that was available to Jude at the time called the Assumption of Moses. Clement of Alexandria, Origen, a few other people have alluded to this particular work. Most of it has been lost to antiquity. We don't really know what the book says, but it's thought that Jude gleaned this idea that there was this dispute between Michael the archangel and the devil over Moses's body after his death. Apparently, as the account goes, Satan thought Moses's body should be his because of Moses's sins. namely that one sin that prevented him from entering the promised land when he was told to speak to the rock to bring forth water and he actually struck the rock and Paul says later on that that rock was Jesus Christ and Satan apparently in this apocryphal work said that Satan came charging that Moses' body should be his because of those sins. Michael on the other hand argued that Moses was a chosen instrument of God and that the body should belong in glory. Now, who won that argument? Michael. Michael won the argument. How do we know? Not Michael Teruel. Michael, the archangel, won that argument. How do we know? Well, who was on the Mount of Transfiguration in Matthew 17 along with Jesus and Elijah? It was Moses. And that's kind of led a lot of theologians to believe that what Jude is saying is actually correct. That Michael had to fight for the body of Moses so that he could be transported to glory from where he actually appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration. What is all that? Speculation. We don't know if that's true or not. It makes an interesting story nonetheless. What Jude says about Michael's approach to Satan is really what's important here, right? The false teacher or the dreamer was one who saw nothing wrong with speaking out directly to and against those belonging to the heavenly realm, whether it be good angels or bad angels. They talked with them or at them with a certain familiarity, with no fear, with no reverence, no respect. In other words, they discounted that these angels were actually servants of the Most High God, or much too dangerous in the fallen realm to be dealt with individually. And that's the whole point of Michael the archangel. Michael himself would not cast a railing accusation against Satan, but said, the Lord rebuke you. Which shows us right there that even Michael, the highest among the created angelic order, was not so bold as to go head to head with Satan. He said instead, the Lord rebuke you. Ligon Duncan tells a fairly humorous story that addresses this point. Let me just read it to you, it's very small. He says, a few years ago I saw a television preacher claiming to recount an experience of the demonic and it went like this. He said, I was present in this room and the demonic force came in and the temperatures of this room dropped to subarctic levels. Everything began to frost over and then the furniture began to levitate. And I addressed that spirit and I told him to get out. And he fled through the window and the furniture fell to the floor and the temperature returned to its norm. But then I leaned out of the window and I said, you come back here. I haven't finished with you yet. You put that furniture right back where you found it. That's a dreamer. But again, I mean, where is it that that attitude comes from? How many of you have known charismatics that speak to the devil as much as they speak to the Lord? Yeah. I mean, they have no qualms about approaching the devil. I've heard people say, get thee behind me, Satan. Oh no, no, no. That's a quote of Christ that you're not allowed to make. You can't command the demons. Now I realize there are passages that say those who are born again can command the demons to come out and they'll come out and so on and so forth, but everything must be done in Jesus name with the authority of Christ and not with our own authority. You cannot stand, but the dreamer saw nothing wrong at all. with confronting the devil head on himself. Well, where does this kind of attitude come from? What makes the false teacher think that he's any match for Satan or his demons? Jude tells us in verses 10 through 16, which will be where we pick up our study next week. Yeah. Until then, I think the application from what we've looked at tonight is crystal clear, right? No amount of dreaming, no attempt at replacing the God of Scripture with the God of our own imagination will change who He is. We may placate our consciences, We may convince ourselves that God is just who we imagine Him to be versus what the scriptures say He is, but one day we're going to wake up to the reality of who He actually is. Our challenge as believers is to present the God of scripture to a world that's literally dying to know Him. And my prayer is that God would lead us to that end. These are dangerous times in the church at large. I don't think there's been a time in history. I shared with you on Sunday, the shenanigans of the general assembly of the PCUSA praying to Allah and asking that Allah might bless his two revered prophets, Jesus and Muhammad. Folks, that's the Presbyterian church USA. You know, the same church, by the way, that has so twisted and maligned scripture that they ordain homosexuals, they ordain women, they have homosexual memberships, they see no problem with any of that because they failed to rightly divide the word of truth. These people need our prayers. And when we're able, we need to confront them with those errors, out of love, not out of a sense of superiority. but out of an understanding of what God's Word actually says. Not what we want it to say, not what we hope it says, not what they want it to say, but what it says. And again, if our presupposition is, going into all of this, if our presupposition is God said it, that settles it, His Word is the infallible, inerrant, all-sufficient Word, all-sufficient truth, for all mankind, then we will succeed in maintaining that stance. Any questions?