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As there are raids that are going into different cities, even businesses, we are seeing sanctuary cities that are harboring those who are here illegally, some with horrendous, horrendous backgrounds as it relates to crime and violence, whether it be that of sexual trafficking or other issues. A story just came out from BizPak Review. This week, an immigration agent arrested an illegal migrant accused of storing an Illinois women's corpse on his property months after she died from a drug overdose. This is Immigration and Customs Enforcement, took custody of an individual, 52-year-old Mexican national living unlawfully in the U.S. They issued a press release that he was charged in April with concealing the dead body in a storage container on his yard for roughly two months and abusing the corpse and obstruction of justice. But every day. According to the DHS assistant secretary, Tricia McLaughlin, she said this in a public statement. She said, every day ICE is arresting sickos like criminal illegal aliens. That depraved alien was charged with concealing the body of a missing woman in a storage container for months and abusing her corpse. Well, ladies and gentlemen, virtually daily, I am receiving an email from the Department of Homeland Security detailing the arrests being made by Immigration and Customs Enforcement or ICE. They're targeting dangerous criminal illegal aliens and taking them off the streets of America. Today, they indicate that they have arrested several. Ice, North Carolina, arrested a 42-year-old illegal alien from Mexico. His criminal history includes a conviction for first-degree rape and first-degree sex offense of a child in Wake County, North Carolina. Ice, North Carolina, also arrested a 42-year-old illegal alien from El Salvador. His criminal history includes a conviction for indecent liberties with a child in Lexington, North Carolina. Ice of Utah arrested a 50-year-old illegal alien from El Salvador convicted of Rico, drug trafficking, and robbery in Las Vegas. Ice of Dallas arrested a 22-year-old illegal alien from Mexico. His criminal history included a conviction for aggravated meth trafficking in Canadian County, Oklahoma. And one more here, ICE San Francisco arrested a 46-year-old illegal alien from the Federated States of Micronesia. His criminal history included convictions for aggravated assault that took place in Guam. Indeed, day after day, these arrests are being made, and yet despite these agents protecting our homeland, according to DHS, ICE law enforcement officers are facing an 830% increase in assaults against them. Additionally, there are mayors and governors actively opposing the actions of ICE agents, including the calling of them to leave their area. This is prioritizing those who are here illegally versus the safety and security of U.S. citizens. Well, joining us today on these and related issues, we welcome back Mark Krikorian. He is a nationally recognized expert on immigration and issues. He serves as executive director for the Center for Immigration Studies. They're an independent, nonpartisan research organization examining and critiquing the impact of immigration on the United States. He has testified numerous times before Congress and has published many, many articles and spoken on many outlets. Mark, welcome back here to Crosstalk. Glad to be here, thanks for having me. Mark, can we say that the spigot is officially shut off for those trying to enter the U.S. illegally? I mean, what a night and day difference from where we were just one year ago. Oh, absolutely. It's night and day difference. Now, it's never going to be shut off in the sense that, look, there's still people, there are people still cars, there's still shoplifting. I mean, you know, violation of the law is never going away, but night and day is the way to put it. I mean, the, order is is seeing the least illegal traffic maybe ever recorded uh... ever and uh... so definitely uh... avenue into the u s uh... while it's still exist it's not nearly what it used to be there's going to be be the overstayers that often happens at the other part of the legal immigration people who fly in with a visa and then just never believe but the bottom line is yeah absolutely The new illegal immigration has dramatically been reduced, and the administration is working on trying to unwind the illegal immigration we've seen over the past many years. Marc Thiessen We're going to get into a number of issues today, but, Marc, we saw a very narrow passage of what was called the One Big Beautiful Bill. How is border security and illegal immigration impacted by the legislation that was passed? The bill is a funding bill, so it doesn't change policy. That's why they were able to pass it with only 51 votes in the Senate. The way it affects immigration is through a dramatic increase in resources, in money, for immigration enforcement. And some of the parts of it won't be apparent right away, like hiring extra Border Patrol agents and ICE agents is the kind of thing that takes time, because you've got to recruit people, you have to check them out, you've got to train them. what you're going to see the immediate impact of is in detention because detaining illegal immigrants until you can remove them is essential. There's no point to arresting a lot of illegal aliens if you're going to end up having to let them go because you got nowhere to hold them. Right. And even under the best of circumstances, you still, it's going to take a week or two, you know, to get the paperwork for their home country to send them out, all that kind of stuff. So that that's the bottleneck we've been facing. the previous administration reduced detention dramatically and so this administration is increasing it and that's what you're going to see the sort of first effects of the big beautiful bill and they're going to be able to both arrest and deport more people now that they have somewhere to kind of park people that they have arrested until they can put the paperwork in order and get their flights lined up and all that. So, I mean, you're totally aware that a lot of legacy media coverage on the conditions in these detention centers where we're told they're deplorable, that detainees are not getting adequate food or adequate medical care, that health conditions are atrocious. Comment on that, if you would. Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't doubt that sometimes, you know, there's stuff like that happens, but generally speaking and i've been to a number of ice detention centers and what they didn't put on a show for me i was just there you know they've got dental care they've got the medica schools they hope uh... teachers from the local uh... schools if it's a if it's one that holds families you know i don't doubt that in overcrowded centers there are problems sometimes but that in a sense kind of one of the things that the A new bill is designed to address is by, with more money, you can have more detention space and you don't end up with the kind of overcrowding that probably sometimes does cause some problems. There's been a lot of concern about the newly opened Alligator Alcatraz, as called. But I understand, though, it's been said individuals don't have to stay here. They can self-deport if they want to. yeah meanwhile there's two ways not to be kept not to be in detention one is if you're an illegal immigrant just pack up and go home before i find you but the other thing is that no one i mean criminals accepted obviously but regular illegal immigrants if you're being held only for immigration violations the only reason you're in detention is because you're fighting your removal in court if you just said okay um... you know i don't want to be in detention i'd drop my challenge to deportation please send me home you get on the plane and you get sent home so um... in a sense most illegal immigrants in detention have the key to their own selves if you will figuratively speaking because if they didn't challenge their removal they would uh... wouldn't be in detention for longer than a few more days So, and they don't pay for that return. I mean, isn't the U.S. taxpayer paying for that along with the stipend for them to go? Absolutely, yeah. We are paying for the removal, obviously, whether there's a stipend or not. The stipend thing is something DHS came up with for people to use this, um, what used to be called the CBP one app, which the Biden administration used for to help illegal immigrants schedule their illegal immigration to the United States. I mean, it sounds crazy, but that's what they were doing. This administration changes called the CBP home app and I was to go home. And if you use that and go home on your own, um, you will, um, you get a, uh, basically a bonus once you get home with a thousand dollars. uh... and i'm not sure how many people mean that several thousand people have taken them up on that i'm not sure what the total number is it's a way to you know get yourself right with the law but on your own terms in a more dignified fashion nobody's arresting you need to pack up the kids and go back We're talking today with Mark Krikorian, who is with the Center for Immigration Studies. He's the executive director there of their website, cis.org. And Mark, we've seen some significant actions that have been taken and are being taken by the borders are Tom Homan and Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem. Do you have any indication as to the number of arrests or apprehensions that they've made to this point or how many they've actually deported? uh... the number of removal is interior removals i don't have the numbers at hand uh... but the numbers are higher than prior administrations claims that some people make that you know obama deported more people or what have you those are based on counting order arrest along with interior removal but there's nobody coming across the border now so that inevitably the number of border arrest is is low but the deportations from inside the country are significantly up now it's not where the administration wants them people figure okay you just turn a switch on and you can start you know uh... moving tens of thousands of people out everyday it doesn't work that way and you're seeing their court challenges and all the rest of it but they're moving in the right direction and especially with the extra money from the big beautiful bill you're going to see significant increases you know this year you may see three hundred thousand removal deportations and that sounds like a drop in the bucket but that's pretty high historically and i could see them getting it significantly higher they're shooting for a million a year they're not going to get it this year but they might get to that next year not impossible Well, they've been challenged in the court so many times, delaying the actions through this process. But what numbers, you talked about that being a drop in the bucket, what is their best guesstimate as to how many illegal aliens are in the country right now? Our estimate for the illegal population is probably about 16 million. Other people come up with much bigger numbers. it could be seventeen million i don't know i mean i'm not saying that that's a hard number but it's not twenty five thirty million people that that's just those nothing you know sixteen million plenty of it how many illegal aliens do you want to be hard enough to get rid of them what one some people don't realize is that the reason the illegal population isn't like way bigger then it would be is because every year even under obama And even under Biden, there were still illegal immigrants going home for their own reasons. There's always churn. Some of them actually finagle green cards, so they're not illegal aliens anymore. So that the goal of the administration is to deport a whole lot of people, but also persuade even more people to leave on their own. We're talking today with Mark Krikorian from the Center for Immigration Studies. A quick break, and friends, we've got so much more information to come in our next segment, so stay with us. We'll be back in one minute here on Crosstalk, coming your way from the VCY American Network. Back to Genesis with Dr. John Morris, scientist with the Institute for Creation Research. Dr. Morris, over the years we've read a lot from science about amber. Has DNA ever been recovered from it? Chris, there are fragments of DNA found in amber, but it's well known that DNA decomposes in such a short period of time that even in thousands of years you'd not expect to find much DNA left. But now an even more remarkable thing has been found that has thrown evolution into a tizzy. Entombed within the bodies of insects fossilized in amber are ancient bacteria which scientists have been able to revive. They've actually come back to life. Over 3,500 types of microorganisms have been rejuvenated. Chris, how can this be? This amber is thought to be millions and millions of years old, but how could things still be alive after all that time? Chris, I think it's the evolutionary story and the story of millions of years which is wrong. The Back to Genesis view makes a whole lot more sense. Thanks for tuning in to Back to Genesis. you're listening to cross talk on the vc why american network our guest today marker korean executive director of center for immigration studies their website c i s dot org and as we've said before friends if you want to know what's going on the immigration front uh... check out c i s dot org dead daily and using a regular columns that are coming forth in news uh... regarding immigration of border security et cetera he and that big beautiful bill uh... mark uh... that was there not to additional funding also for uh... the increasing the border fence yet there was uh... for building more of border fence and they were you know they're doing it now in that they actually have that's another thing that they can do quickly because the contractors are there in many cases the actual wall unit are sitting on the ground for four years because Biden told him to stop working in, even though they had all of this stuff sitting around. So they're, they've been able to restart work on the wall pretty quickly. So, and there's, you can, there's plenty of, uh, uh, pictures of new wall going up. It's going up outside El Paso and a bunch of other places. Any idea how many miles of wall need to be constructed? Yeah, I don't know what the total is. And I wouldn't even pick a magic number because the flow changes all the time i mean there are some places you can't really build wall at all places like uh... big bend in texas uh... number one it's super remote andy you know that this clip and things i mean it's just not practical but most other places they're going to end up over the years having to build the wall just because you know the smugglers just always look for a new route a new way to get in that doesn't have wall Daily, I'm receiving detailed listings from Department of Homeland Security of those that are being apprehended. We're talking about murderers, rapists, child sex offenders, drug dealers, and the list goes on. And, Mark, this is why I'm so baffled, and I truly believe our nation should be baffled and greatly concerned by the actions that are being taken by public officials i mean it's hard to know where to begin but let's let's begin by mentioning that the mayor of nashville uh... near freddie o'connell who according to christine on his openly doxed ice agents and says what the merit is doing that to the city is shameful uh... let's first comment on national if you would yeah i mean that this is what's happening in a lot of different places the idea of docking you know um... federal law enforcement agents over the point of it is not Okay. I want to know who they are. The point of it is they want to know if they want antifa to know who they are. They want people to be able to intimidate them and to intimidate their family members. And I don't know if it's illegal, but should be. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm looking, we've got the same coming from your bass in Los Angeles, governor Newsom over in California, who, I mean, they're openly opposing the work of ice. Yeah. I mean, this is nullification is what this is. That's what they called it, you know, leading up to the civil war. is that they're simply rejecting federal law. They don't want to enforce it and they're standing in the way. Now, California doesn't have to help ICE because each state have their equal sovereigns to the federal government. And so there are things that the federal government can't make them do, but they are not permitted to interfere in the enforcement of federal law. And that's why some of these politicians are skating pretty close to committing crimes by trying to stop by rather than just standing back and not helping And, you know, we see what's going on in California has been atrocious. And at the same time, we're hearing rumblings of Governor Newsom having presidential aspirations. I know you're nonpartisan. We take that same position being nonpartisan, but isn't he sending a clear signal that he would open wide the borders just like we saw under the Biden administration if he were elected? Well, he's sure not sending the opposite message. In other words, it seems to me that after the experience of the Biden administration, any Democrat running for office would have to differentiate himself. In other words, say, look, I'm still for all of this stuff with Medicaid or whatever it is, you know, other policy areas. But here's how I'm different from the, uh, what the Biden administration did, which I think was really a big mistake. Well, they're not doing that. They're just saying that, uh, they're in effect saying that what Biden did at the border was good. and that you're going to get more of it if you vote for me. It's an odd political message, but I don't know. We'll have to see whether people go for that or not. Let's go from California, New York City. A tragic story just broke days ago. Off-duty U.S. Customs and Border Protection officer shot in the face after being robbed by an illegal alien riding on a moped. Unfold for us what happened there, if you would. Well, what happened there is they wasn't targeting this DHS employee who was off duty. that was just kind of bad luck on the part of these illegal aliens. There were two Dominican illegal immigrants who had been taken and led into the country by the Biden administration. So these people weren't, you know, 10, 20-year residents of New York. They were illegals that the Biden people had led in. They had multiple interactions with the police in New York. And, you know, it's a sanctuary city, so they weren't handed over to ICE. when the city was done with them, whatever they were going to do with them. And they're back on the street committing crimes. So this was both sanctuary city and Biden border policies combined created this, uh, the conditions for this crime. Yeah. And that's what secretary norm just did, uh, did by, by blaming sanctuary policies for really playing a role in this attack itself. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, look, if an illegal immigrant, doesn't have any interaction with the authority they sneak past the border patrol they lie low nobody knows about them and then they commit a crime okay well you know the government should have stopped the illegal immigration but they don't have a big degree of responsibility the government doesn't but when you know who the person is and let him into the community instead of removing him then it is it is the government's fault both the new york city government and the federal government's fault for this crime. I mean, it's their responsibility as well as obviously the criminals themselves. And speaking of New York City, again, a sanctuary city, we had DHS just announced, I believe it was today, that they've issued 6,025 arrest requests to transfer custody or detainers since January of this year, January 20th. that is 6,000 in just the first six months of the Trump presidency. And that compares to 9,472 detainers over the full four years of President Biden. And they're reporting today, this is a 400% spike. And yet, Mark, we have public officials ignoring these detainer requests. Oh, absolutely. I mean, the, um, see, so for your listeners, what a detainer request or detainer notification means is that when somebody is arrested for a local crime, their fingerprints are taken those fingerprints go to the FBI. Everybody knows about that from TV shows. But they also go to DHS. And most illegal immigrants, DHS knows something about. Maybe they were deported before or whatever it is. And so what a detainer notification is, is I said, hey, please let us know when you're done with this guy. If you're going to prosecute him, go ahead. Do whatever it is you're going to do. But before you let him go, let us know so we can go and get him and remove him from the country. and sanctuary cities this is the core of what it means to be a sanctuary city is they say no even though we now all know that's got an illegal alien who's deportable We're not going to tell ICE and we're going to release them onto the street. It's unbelievable. Yeah, it is. And we're watching with interest this election for New York City mayor right now. And Zoran Mamdani won the Democratic primary. And just we've got listeners in New York as well. And again, being nonpartisan, but showcase what New York City would look like under his administration if he's voted in as it relates to this issue of illegal immigration. well i mean you know he's going to be totally committed to being a sanctuary city i'm not sure how much worse it could get i mean maybe it could i don't know cuz eric adams at least has permitted like from really really bad criminals uh... to be trained handed over to ice in a few instances so maybe that wouldn't happen uh... it would be pretty bad but you know it's already pretty bad i'm not sure that uh... whether uh... quomo or um... this the mom donnie guy or somebody else is elected i'm not sure how much going to change in new york they fundamentally have to change city policy and that's going to take more than just a new governor they're going to have to change their city the city council got to change the way they do things in the meantime they're just going to keep releasing criminals back into immigrant neighborhoods amazing because both of the people that they're praying on it mostly immigrants Yeah. So Tom Holman just indicated that they're going to be targeting sanctuary cities and sanctuary states, that they were going to flood the zone, those words used, to find criminals in sanctuary jurisdictions. He really is not tolerant of those who are harboring criminals, is he? No, he's not. Tom is a lifelong law enforcement officer, was a police officer in upstate New York, was a border patrol agent and a longtime ICE agent. so he is uh... yeah he's he's a cop he's a regular cop and it's like uh... in some sense almost can't believe his eyes about what's happening because i told him several years ago i said if you guys get in and actually you know start enforcing the law you're gonna see real pushback you're gonna see people surrounding detention centers and throwing themselves in front of cars and all that i don't think you believe me and um... because he's he's sort of a straightforward guy it's like well how can they you know how can they be against enforcing the law against criminal but unfortunately in the immigration business there's a whole lot of people who do not want even criminals to be deported yeah now they're okay with them being locked up if they've committed a crime in a sentence but when they're done even if they're illegal aliens their senses if they want to stay they should be allowed to stay here this includes congressman absolutely does uh... a lot of congressman i mean you know the sort of usual suspects obviously but it's kind of at this point a mainstream democratic party position to be against the deportation of anybody who isn't a convicted violent criminal and then there's a smaller number of democrats who don't even want convicted violent criminals to be deported We saw, what was it, Pam Bondi, Attorney General, just announced a major change as Louisville is dropping its sanctuary city policies. That's really a direct result of a written warning from her office, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely. And there's more of that that can be done. I mean, the feds have this limit to what they can make sanctuary cities do and what you know what kind of pressure they can bring but there is pressure they can bring on them and this is something i think a lot of people don't think about the immigration issue obviously the national issue at the state level there are a lot of states that are you either run by republicans or the kind of purple states in other words they're not crazy sort of lefty states like some of them that have sanctuary jurisdictions within the cities and counties The difference is that while Washington can't make California not be a sanctuary, because California is a state and the federal government didn't create the state, in fact, the state created the federal government, but at the state level, every city and county is created by the state legislature. So if the state legislature of Kentucky or Texas or any other state want to say no jurisdiction in our state is allowed to be a sanctuary city, they can do that. uh... and that's what you need the acting in more states is cracking up on paper dot it obviously but that needs to be something that people could do with the local level you'd get there state government the band sanctuary city uh... if you were for instance in this is just one example i have no idea if anybody's doing this but in wisconsin you know i'm sure madison of the sanctuary city i haven't looked it up but i think pretty much guaranteed the state legislature could say you're not allowed to be a sanctuary period and if you don't get in line we're gonna, you know, we're gonna dissolve your city and they could do anything they want because the city is the creation of the state legislature. friends are listening to crosstalk and bc why america with us today is mark recording and for the center for immigration studies their website is c i s dot org and one of their colleagues just testified before congress on criminal aliens in the united states will get into that after the break you're listening to crosstalk here on bc why For over 200 years, the American judicial system has upheld a standard so strong that a person's very life can be ended based on this level of confidence. 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Call 1-800-729-9829. it was in the cross talk and the c y america with us today is mark recording an executive director of the center for immigration studies again their site is c i s dot org uh... just before i pick up with my questions that mark just give us a word about your organization if you would we're a big bank in washington dc relatively small uh... but we're the only research organization that is on the pro-control lower immigration numbers side of the debate system advocacy groups but we're the only one that does research and like you said before the break uh... one of our people testified yesterday and we uh... testified actually seven times this congress so since january almost a month uh... and so uh... that's what we do along with things like this public education new reports we publish all the time we have one out today on our website if people like have a taste for snark and sarcasm I'm on Twitter at Mark S., as in Stephen, Mark S. Krikorian. Okay. And let me ask you this about that testimony. Andrew Arthur, he was with us just a month or so ago here on the program. He just testified before Congress on criminal aliens in the U.S. And Mark has been so troubling to see the blind eye that has been turned turned in by, you know, by the previous administration and even to some of the current mayors and governors to this criminal element. It's really allowed access, you know, into our cities and states and allowed access across our borders to begin with. Yeah. And the interesting thing is that the anti-enforcement people often react by saying, no, when you talk about immigrant criminals like this, they're saying, yeah, but immigrants aren't more likely to be criminals than the native born okay well maybe maybe not the the the data on that is actually unclear but it doesn't matter because the one thing we know is every immigrant criminal is a criminal and if they're illegal alien they shouldn't be here every crime committed by an illegal immigrant is an avoidable crime it uh... one that should not have happened and that that distinction that is hard to get through to people who are on the other side of the debate or they just don't want to acknowledge it and um... what it ends up doing is in a sense almost up painting all immigrants as criminals because opposing the deportation a criminal and it's if they could look we want criminals to be deported and we're going to work with ice hand-in-glove to make sure criminals are deported you know we don't want other regular illegal alien support okay well i don't agree with that but at least that would be a position but what they're saying is we don't want regular illegal aliens to be deported and therefore we're not even going to help you deport the criminals it's just unconscionable Friends, we're opening our phone lines to crosstalk. If you have a question you'd like to ask of Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies on the matter of illegal immigration, or legal immigration as far as that goes, our phone line is open today, 800-733-9829. Your question or brief comment, 800-733-9829. Mark, let's talk about the children. I know under the Biden administration, DHS officials lost track of estimates of like 300,000 unaccompanied migrant children. There are experts who say many of these kids, with the help of NGOs, went to largely unvetted sponsors, many of which were linked to Mexican drug cartels, sex and forced labor trafficking. Comment on this matter of missing children and what's going on. well that three hundred thousand plot number of missing children is a really an estimate of an actual number it's just that we've been meeting means that the department of health and human services which is supposed to be you know responsible for their welfare called up the sponsors that they handed them over to and nobody called back nobody answered the phone so they have no idea most of those kids probably are just with their parents or their relatives thousands of them And the Biden administration prioritized getting these unaccompanied minors, illegal immigrants, teenagers mostly, out of their sort of shelter facilities they had and into somebody's home as quickly as possible. And if a few of those people were handed over to bad guys, they figured, well, whatever, that's the price we're going to pay completely irresponsible. It was easier. It is easier to adopt a dog at the pound. I mean, it's harder to adopt a dog at the pound than it was under Biden to claim to be a sponsor for an illegal immigrant kid. And of course that's led. to widespread abuses. How could it not? And let's talk about the recent raids of the cannabis or the marijuana fields. A number of minors were found there. Tell us about those raids. Yeah, there was a raid in California on two marijuana farms, which is kind of, I mean, it's ridiculous. We even have such things. And it turned out there were a whole bunch of minors, underage people working there. One of them, I think they arrested uh... they they found a whole bunch of people but they found something like ten or eleven underage workers eight of whom were the unaccompanied minors that have this special status if they come in without their parents not clear were they you know being forced to do this work were they just you know sixteen-year-old or fifteen-year-olds were in central america that's working age frankly and so they were just doing regular work before still illegal on we don't know what story is there but we wouldn't ever known about it if ice or border patrol hadn't rated this farm they need to do a lot more of this not just farms but a lot of other places because and this is something even the new york times has written about there are all kinds of on the company minors working in jobs they're underage there you know twelve thirteen fourteen-year-olds working in factories working around dangerous equipment working graveyard shift, cleaning factories, this sort of thing. Like I said, the New York Times has several stories on this. The way you deal with it is you enforce the law and find out what's going on. And when you find even regular illegal aliens, you're going to be deporting them too. But without doing that, you're not going to know about outrages like this. Friends, our lines are packed. And as soon as you hear somebody hang up, that's your opportunity to call. Let's go right to the lines. Nick in Muskego, Wisconsin, you're on the air. yet i was wondering uh... if one of these illegals commit a crime against a normal citizen here can we not sue them well you can tell you a little anybody is going to tell me what you want what you want to be able to do in this is not something that is possible now you want to be able to sue the government agency that released the person for instance and they knew of the news illegal but they let him go anyway that kind of thing that would actually make a difference. That's not something you're able to do now. There's not what they call standing to do that. In other words, there isn't a basis for a lawsuit. Congress can create what they call a cause of action. They can create a basis for a lawsuit. And at the state level, maybe the state legislatures could probably do it too, but it hasn't happened yet. So no, you can't sue, I'm afraid. Thank you, Nick. Let's go next to Kathy calling from Jerome, Idaho. Kathy, you're on the air. Yes, thank you. I have a couple questions. I missed the first part of the program, so I'm not sure what you covered, but we're a highly agriculture, specifically dairy industry in our area, and even our state association, the State Dairymen's Association has pushed and pushed and pushed for acceptance of illegal aliens, if you will, to remain on the farms and, you know, if you have something uh... a different opinion after that then uh... if you're if you're really in bad starts with them so why cannot congress uh... offer something for it uh... uh... culture association that need year-round full-time workers instead of the seasonal this is where the hang-up is okay instead of the uh... right now i'm listening thank you something that coming up in congress because there is a seasonal farm worker program that has no limits uh... it's just a lot of farmers don't use it because it has requirements about pay and transportation and housing many farmers don't want to deal with they prefer to have a legal alien but dairy is one of those issues where that the year-round issue it's not a seasonal business uh... my answer to that is Europe, they don't import foreign workers to run their dairy industry. They have mechanized it. You still have people working there, but you don't need nearly as much labor. And what the easy availability of foreign workers does, whether they're on a work visa or whether they're illegal aliens, is it slows the process of productivity improvement and mechanization and labor savings. could like spend money on labor saving if you don't need to do labor saving could you've got people you're importing from you know uh... guatemala to working your dairy i'm not saying it's easy i'm not telling people this is you know something that you know no big deal and should be able to figure it out but it's not congress' job to procure workers for dairy farms and um... this is and it's in the long run harmful because it perpetuates old-fashioned labor labor intensive ways of doing business instead of incentivizing productivity increases and mechanization and they've got a lot of that you know uh... automated uh... milking equipment that sort of thing it's all developed in europe because they don't have you know mexicans coming to work on the dairy farm well i'm just surprised to know that they encourage uh... the general public to accept the idea of law-breaking when it comes to illegal immigration. Indeed. Yeah, they do. And one last point on that, it's not just law-breaking they want the public to accept, they also want the public to make up for the low salaries they're paying through welfare, food stamps, all of that sort of thing. They're essentially passing much of the cost of their laborers onto the taxpayer instead of paying people what they need to live, which may mean that milk will cost ten cents more a gallon, but you're paying for it one way or the other. Kathy, thank you for the call. We've got several lined up here from Idaho. Let's go to Iowa, Des Moines, Iowa. Jeff, you're on the air. Hi. I've been both a Republican and Democrat now. I'm an Independent. But here's my thoughts on this whole situation don't you think republicans are just as culpable in creating this problem but i go back and look at it how did reagan deal with it he granted it immediately millions of illegals imagine if biden or obama did that and then when clinton was president we had a young kid named alien gonzalez wash up the shore We were wanting to deport him, which actually did. Republicans came out of Woodward and said, people coming to this country have the right to live the American dream. The problem grows. Under Obama in 2015, he wanted immigration reform. Republicans opposed it for no other reason than they didn't want him to get credit for it. Tell you what, we're just a minute before the break. So Mark, is there culpability on both sides of the aisle on this? Yeah, there absolutely is. i didn't get reagan uh... a path on that i mean he's the first person i ever voted for him a reagan fan but everybody thought that it was worth a try to amnesty the illegal immigrants who are already here in exchange for promises of enforcement the problem is the promises were hollow they were not kept and that's why any deal like that including the one obama pushed or the one george w bush bush don't go anywhere because we know politicians are not telling the truth. Thank you, Jeff, so much for the call here. And we're up against a break. And, friends, our number here, as we continue to take your calls, if you're on hold, just stay there. We'll get to you. Our phone number to Crosstalk is 800-733-9829. That's 800-733-9829. Mark Rickorian is our guest today, Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies. We'll take more of your calls following the break as you listen to Crosstalk on the VCY American Network. For the Worldview Report, I'm Brandon House. Our website's worldviewtube.com. Recently, perhaps you heard the headline, Mike Huckabee, the U.S. ambassador to Israel, put out a letter stating that he is going to reciprocate with restrictions on visas for Jews coming to America if the harassment of evangelicals by the visa department in Israel doesn't end. What? This seems very odd. So we asked our reporter on the ground in Israel this week, Aaron, about it. And he said, oh, yes, this has been a problem going on for years. There are many Orthodox inside our interior ministry that are specifically targeting evangelicals and even Messianic Jews that want to come and live permanently in Israel. You see, folks, what this is is a group, a small group that do indeed go very hard after Christians. So we need to pray for them. But also, don't let this news story be used by people for anti-Semitism. Explain it's a specific group of people, not all Jews. Again, the website for our guest today, CIS.org. You'll find regular writings columns there. Sign up, get their emails, as well. CIS.org. Let's get right back to the phone lines. Holding the longest out of Phoenix, Arizona, and Nina, you're on the air. Or Nina? Either way. My thought is, are these sanctuary cities getting extra funds from maybe cartels or George Soros types to continue. I don't see where their real benefit of being a sanctuary city is, unless they're, you know, people are paying politicians to initiate them. Is that... Very good question, thank you. I don't actually think so, because the politicians who are doing this they believe it this is an ideological thing for them they do not illegal immigrants should be made to go home they think that if you want to move here you have a right to come to the united states whether the american people like it or not and that's reflected in their uh... uh... sanctuary city policy so that that my point here is They're doing it for free. Nobody has to pay them. George Soros doesn't have to give them any money. They believe in this, and they're doing it out of principle, which is bad, but at least it would be easier if they were getting paid, because then we could expose that. That's not why they're doing it. Thank you, Naina. Thank you very much. Bye. Bye. Then let's go to Florida. Bo has been holding the longest bow year on the year. and i got a question you know i i watch a lot of the sting operations and they're not african-american white their legal alien and that it's well uh... guatemala mexico sixty-five percent a pedophilia child predators are coming into the united states and um... i just want to know your thoughts because i know in different countries so have an act on like they apply you want to come in your country i'd like to get the legal alien that not child predators called uh... called uh... system alien versus predator and get this uh... if the country cleaned up sixty five percent a bit of failure are are guatemala's venezuela mexico's and they're going for a thirteen-year-old boy thirty-year-old very demonic but if you want the thing operations are all banners okay uh... any comment on that mark well i mean illegal aliens of all kinds, believe me. In fact, they just arrested, ICE just sent a thing about an English illegal alien who came over on a visa, committed crimes, they got rid of him. So illegal immigrants coming from everywhere, there's a lot of child sex offenders, there's no question. Some of that is because they're real predators. In other cases, they're coming from places where they probably think it's just normal for 14 year old girls to be. you know, sexually active. And so it doesn't mean, I mean, they still need to be punished for it, absolutely, and removed from the country, but my point is that it's sort of two kinds. Some are child predators, some are just people who think it's perfectly normal because they're coming from profoundly backward, pre-modern countries. Wow. Well, thank you for the call. The number 800-733-9829. And is it Lou in Tomo, Wisconsin? question, my question is, you know, they had all that big outbreaks of diseases and started in Texas and went to Idaho and, you know, of course, can spread to people. But you got 16 million people come from these third world countries that are not vaccinated. Obviously. Hello. Why wouldn't you have an outbreak from coming in with measles and stuff from a different country? Do you know what I mean? I think that was the start of where the, you know, you're having problems with measles down in Texas and out in Oregon and all that. Of course, you're starting in Texas, but probably spread, you know. Tell you what, we're going to have our guest comment on the health aspect. What about that, Mark? We saw, for instance, even with, you know, during the time of COVID that, you know, people were just really flying across the country here, that we were transporting those here illegally. What about this issue of health? yeah there's no question that especially people coming from third world countries where the not just that the health system isn't involved but they're you know they don't have the same vaccination schedules and everything child vaccinations all that and they're coming from places where tropical diseases that don't exist here are widespread so it's definitely it's definitely a problem and it's something we can deal with but the first thing we need to do is stop illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration so at least those smaller we treat the side of the problem and then we address it through uh... you know aggressive health checks thank you for the color in squeeze one last call in from neilsville we have uh... tony calling tony you're on the air i'd hear a lot i know you're just about out of time so i'll make this quick but i think the whole topic in point today is because they need vote that's what it's all about the democrat cannot win elections without giving these people all these goodies in exchange for a vote. Okay, what about this illegal voting, Mark? Yeah, I don't think the illegal voting is a problem, but it's not as big a problem as I think people think. The issue, the way immigration affects the political system especially, is that it changes the distribution of congressional seats. because the census bureau count everybody warm bodied even illegal immigrants and so you have state but california and frankly texas with more congressional seats than they would have if they work for illegal immigration and that means other states have fewer the ones that if you were illegal immigrants lose out on congressional representation and same thing is true within the state legislature so it's a real problem even if not single illegal immigrant end up voting even though some of them do but not that many honestly Yeah, thank you for the call here. Tony, and that does bring up an issue. I mean, we will be having, what is it, the next congressional census would be taking place at 2030. And so what happens between now and then is critically important, Mark. Absolutely it is, because, and in fact, there was just on Twitter, there was, they distributed this recording of a congresswoman from New York City who said she needed migrants Illegally, I mean, I shouldn't say illegally. She said migrants to move to her district speak before the census count so that she would be able to keep her seat, basically. I mean, it's just saying the quiet part out loud, but it's a real issue. Wow. Mark Krikorian with the Center for Immigration Studies, her website, cis.org. 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