Yes, he does. Let's go to the book of Joel. Book of Joel? Joel, huh? And chapter one, we read the first three chapters of the last verses, but we can start it again. A little bit of background on Joel. He's a minister in the reign of Joash. We were reading this last couple of days in our Bible reading through, 85 verses per day, in the book of 2 Chronicles. and reigned of Joash, renowned Hezekiah of different things, but Joash was a pretty good king. He had drops in house. At the end of his life he was bad because the Jehoiada helped him, the priest, and when Jehoiada died, Joash killed the joy of his son, so it's unfortunate. But the contemporary of Galatia, and so there are about 800 B.C. is what it is. You haven't had it? That's a squeak. Dan's got some coiling to do, maybe. Well, this is in the preface. We have the old school paragraphs, but this is the background scene. But 2 Chronicles 22, 2 Chronicles 22 to 24, that's the section in 2 Chronicles that deals with Joash's reign. That's where Joel preached. The 2nd Chronicle is chapter 22 through chapter 24. Those three chapters. So, the Scripture of the Bible mentions in Isaiah, the first chapter, the preceding page, the opposing page of chapter 1 of Isaiah, that he was a prophet to the ten tribes of Israel. But it says right here that he was a monk from Judah, so maybe he was a Judah man that was from Judah, but he preached to the Ten Tribes about 800 B.C., but around the time of Elisha. So let's read verses 1, 2, and 3 together. The word of the Lord that came to Joel, the son of Bethuel. Hear ye, ye old and old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Have not been in your days, but even in the days of your fathers? Tell your children of it, and tell your children, tell their children, and their children another generation. So these are the, we mentioned last time that the Lord has given this ministry to Joel, the Lord came to him and he wanted to tell about the things. Remember how many generations did we say it was in verse number 3? Four. Name the four. If you're to tell your children, that means you are the first generation, not the youth. The children tell their children, the children tell their children. So four generations, about the same. Now we have a lot of different animals and insects here that are mentioned. Let's read verses 4, 5, and 6 together. that which the pauper one hath left hath the locust eaten, and that which the locust hath left hath the canker worm eaten, and that which the canker worm hath left hath the caterpillar eaten. Awake, ye drunkards, and weep, and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine that is brought on from your mouth. For an age has come up to propound you by a strong and without number, whose teeth are as the teeth of a lion, and he hath the teeth of a great lion, the teeth of a great lion." This pommel worm, these are insects, I guess, I'm not an entomologist, but locusts, different forms of stages. They go from here, it looks like the butterfly comes from the caterpillar. So this is the stages of pommel worm, and then locusts, and then the canker worm. The pommel worm is a migratory caterpillar. Migratory caterpillar. I think so. Okay, so it's a migratory insect. So these are the things in the picture. Now, what would happen if insects eat up things around your farmer, your plants and so on? What would happen? They'd be famished. They'd be famished. They can't grow anything. And of course there are some plagues like that, aren't there? Catacombs and locusts. Don't they have that in Australia? Don't they have locust plagues there? Yes, locust plagues. Mice plagues. So this is a serious thing. And the reason that all this is happening, I think it's the judgment of the Lord that Joel is writing about. Now in verse number 5, what does this talk about? The drunkards. How would you define a drunkard? Somebody that drinks? Too much? Drunk. More so than a drink. More so than a drink, you get drunk. In a spiritual sense, someone who is not sober and in a spiritual sense, someone who is not sober is not really in control of the self. Not in control of the self. In Ephesians, remember Dan covered that several weeks ago in Ephesians. He's not drunk with wine, but what? the fill of the Holy Spirit. So the possession of the wine to make you completely controlled by the wine, no, but controlled by the Spirit of God. I wanted to tell you about that telephone call. Oh, alright. Best I understand, our number has been chosen by the library to start making a study, whether it's a study or a, uh, uh, in other words, of how many children in your house under a certain age, and have they all been vaccinated. Is that what you said? Something like that. They asked for over 17, and I'm like, well, don't you explain There's no children in this house anyway. No, we're childless. She said we want to be in the study and I said we do not want to be in the study. Thank you. All right. That's good. I mean, I bet they want to know if we're all getting vaccinated. Yeah. See now, the government, I think, eventually will try to force vaccination funds. Force it first. Just come with all sorts of guns and so on. Now this, what is it called? Tamiflu. I read the studies of that from a doctor, and he reads some of this, it's very serious. Sometimes, sometimes, no, but methamphetamine is supposed to go after different types of flu, see? And that can get you disease, it can be side effects, sometimes even death, methamphetamine. Now, if they mix this vaccination with poison or something else, this thing will kill you, see? Sometimes it does kill you, it's a horrible thing. Be careful with vaccination. I should let you read some of the things on this, this thing on the flu and the flu situation. Because sometimes that is a bio-agent, bio-terror agency. People from other countries have tried to poison the flu shots and they kill them, the plagues. Was it 1917 when so many people were killed? I think probably 200 were killed by the injections, I think it was 1917, and about 30 or 40 were paralyzed with their waist down because of the shots that they took. That was just a few years ago. Anyway, you do what you want to do as for me and my household. Here's the thing too. Here's this poor little boy. He's 13 and he can't read. So his mother and he left the country to get a alternative type of treatment for the cancer, Hodgkin's lymphoma. The government, the judge said, no, you've got to be vaccinated, not vaccinated, but get chemotherapy. You may die, you may not. They're going to try to go either to Mexico or somewhere. But the point of it is, I told my wife just today, if the judge really takes And this young boy, the mother is against it, the boy is against it, the judge says he's not old enough to be against it. If that is forced upon him, he's got to take this poison in a new system. And I've had chemotherapy, I know exactly what it does to you. And that's going to be as oppressive for everyone else. If we're not going to do something, the government will force us. I'm not going to force me, I'm not going to do it. But you tried that other thing and it didn't work. Honey, I know, but the point of it is, No one should be able to have to be forced against their will to do anything. The point is he's got to make his own choice. He's got to make his own choice. No, I'm trying to get back to the Bible. Okay, back to the Bible. So we're talking about drunkards, and the thing, the effect, but you brought in the telephone call, so we're just on the telephone. I thought you and the audience would be interested. Yes, isn't she? Alright. So the drunkards. Now, do the drunkards think they're drunkards, always? No. What do they think they might be? Social drinkers. Social drinkers. Now, when does a drunkard start drinking? Usually every day. Every day. Well, not always that day. Not necessarily, no. There's weekend drunkards. Yeah, there's day-by-day drunkards. Every Monday in the morning. Alan Panick, our shipper, has got a very good talk on the drinking. And he gave it to his young people. It's on tape. He put it up on the internet, sermonaudio.com. And a lot of people have listened to that and have downloaded that. But he told these young people that it starts when you're young. He was a drunkard himself, and the Lord's delivered him from it. He told these young people, don't start. Because a lot of these young people in the Korean church were in this different bar and different thing. So, but the drunkards awake. What does drinking and drinking do to a person? I don't know, because I mean, experience, and I never got into that stuff. Lose control, alright. Alright, and? It's a bit better than the drowsiness I have. Alright, and if you're drowsy, you'd be falling over, you're stumbling down drunk. And sometimes, when you drive, and you're drinking, you could kill people. You could kill yourself or kill other people. And the blood level, I don't know what it is, the alcohol is a .2, .5 or whatever it is. And then there's some people that are arrested because they just have a little buzz, It's a way of drinking. They still can't drive very well and they would kill some people. There was just recently something that came up on that. But drunkards... Yes, ma'am? When I was in bio school, we had different assignments. We went out and we went to Skid Row area. And the drunkards, they didn't have dope as much then as the drunkards. And they were on the street, passed out, and we'd have to climb over them. We'd have to go around them. It was really scary. For me, that was a very protective person. But that's, I saw that. That's a sad thing. In the military, I was in the Navy Staff for five years in active duty, and we went to the Friday night when the captain was there, and they had a new change of command. We went to the change of command ceremonies, the chaplain went and stuff, but I see a different thing. It's a sad thing. in the military in Okinawa, where the Marines were. I remember this one captain, he was a captain. He never did talk much about the faith or anything else when he was sober. Boy, he was drunk one night. I told him the gospel, he didn't remember anything about it, but it's a sad thing. They just don't know what they're saying, don't know what they're talking about. How did records begin? When does it start? The first week. The first week? Some of them, they can't stop it. Sometimes the very first week. Some people say, I don't know whether it's true or not, Some people are alcoholics, even before they haven't even drunk anything. But I mean, they're susceptible. Once you get that out, you can't stop. That's what they say. I don't know whether that's true or not. That's good. I'm not sure that's the modern day thinking. I'm not sure that's the proper thinking. It may not be the proper thing. There's a tendency to be one way or the other way. They're predisposed to be. It's not that they can't help it, they're predisposed to be. We can name a list of different things and so they can't help it. It's all genetic and it leads down the wrong road of testifying someone's rejection of the gospel. The rejection of what the Word of God says. No, you certainly aren't born that way, but some people say they have a more susceptibility to it. Right Bill? Yeah, I've known several people who became alcoholics, and I don't think it's genetics, I think it's a matter of precondition and attitude on their part. The way that they learn to judge situations or the way they learn to think when they're children. It's the attitudes that they cultivate which makes them susceptible to alcohol. All this nonsense about a certain gene or something, it's because science cannot definitively answer. But knowing some people before they reached the age of drinking and how they thought and their attitudes, I think that's what it really is. What is the scriptural position on drinking? To abstain completely, abstain. Just like the Nazarites of the Old Testament. And this is our position in standing. Not in the wine, but in this red. That's right. It bubbles up in the cup sometimes, doesn't it? That's a revert judgment, absolutely. And? I used to drink beer. I wasn't a drunkard, but I drank every day. And when I started coming to church again, I gave it up. I was not addicted to alcohol physically, so it was very easy for me to give that up. But I think if you're interested in serving the Lord, if you want to learn more about what's in the Bible, you have to give up all those things. The total abstinence is the safest way to prevent drunkenness. Just absolutely don't have anything to do with it. and weep, and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, even wine. Now, wine, or the fruit of the vine, is used in scripture, depending on the context, either alcoholic, and alive with alcohol, fermented, or unfermented, like just the fruit of the vine, depends on the context. Here, obviously, context says this would be the wine that would be fermented at that point. I think the Lord Jesus said it's turning the water into wine, was it unfermented, was it grape juice, the best that anybody could have ever tasted, because the Lord made it, see. fruit of the vine, he will not drink until he comes to eat again in the kingdom, as you mentioned. But for it is cut off from your mouth. What happens when a drunkard is cut off from his drink? What happens to him? He becomes belligerent. Belligerent? Sometimes. Hallucinations or withdrawal is difficult. And sometimes winos will quick cold turkey and it's very difficult for them because questions at vftbc.org. I forgot to give you the email or call us at 856-261-9018 if you have any comments or questions. But the line is a marker as we said before. I remember David said his name was Robert and he came home at the time of the house and stuff like that. He was a very good one of David's former... He died right out there in the snow. It's horrible. It's a horrible situation. And you can't help but pity these fellas, or girls, ladies, gentlemen, whoever it is. You just want to try to help them, but you can't help them unless they want to be helped. It's a sad situation, a sad life. You have to pray for some of them that are in that situation. It's a bad thing. But cut off in the mouth. Then they get the DTs, delirium treatment as they call it. It shakes. See different bugs sometimes and stop. It's a difficult thing. I know that we have a friend who because of an accident was given very strong drugs. morphine or whatever kind it was. And he was on that for months and months, several years, in fact. He's a Christian. He's a pastor. And he was given medically because of his pain and his problems. But he determined that that was not the thing he should be on. And so he decided to cut it off. And he did. And he just called the church. And the Lord delivered. It was hard. It was painful at first. Get him all that drugs. But finally, the Lord gave him victory and he's completely off that thing. Praise the Lord for that. Hi, Rob. What's up? Hi, Rob. Go ahead. Hi, Patrick. I just want to follow up, I think, with Bill's comment about some people being addicted before they ever hit the drop. And I think that's very true. I think I was addicted to... I remember creating specifically marijuana before I ever smoked it. And I imagine it was the same thing with alcohol. But, you know, the devil uses the world to attract the flesh. We were, in fact, just bombarded with the TV, the Hollywood lifestyle of cigarettes and alcohol, the glamorization of it. And growing up in the 60s, the glorification of idolizing the rock and roll, I wanted to be like the rock and roll stars. And I truly was addicted before I ever smoked marijuana when I was 11. And I was drinking, like, you know, 10 years old. And that continued for 38 years. And the devil's done his job with that. And, you know, we've been willing participants in America. And it just, the only reason I quit to begin with, because they told me I was going to die. So, you know, it took me a year, again, for my brain to clear up from reading the Bible and listening to Scripture before the Lord dealt with me. But it's just, people get, people, yes, they'll think exactly right. You can be addicted. I don't know if it's a proclivity. to do one thing or another, but when we have a sin nature that's marred, whatever we put in front of our face, whatever we put in our ears, in our music, in our eyes, it's just going to lead to disaster. Whatever the passage is, it changes, it brings forth death. What passage is that passage? That's in chapter 1, verse 6. That's just sin and death. That's just sin and death. That's very interesting to me that Bill brought that up. People can become addicted. And it's a violent chain. It's not a disease. It's just a extra burden laid on you. It's a fallen chain of the curse that's already upon us. And once we partake of that, it's just like eating it in the garden. She said, it was good for our eyes, it's good for our eyes, it's good for our ears. And it's just, it's very hard. And I could just, you know, And according to the Savior, what He did to me after a year, I struggled with it every minute, every day. And until I bowed my knee to the Savior, He knew that I needed that taken out of my life. And it's gone. And there is victory for people. But it's just one of the devil's most effective weapons is to keep the Gospel hidden from people. It's hidden from people. 38 years, and alcohol was the devil's best weapon against me. I know that. Alcohol and drugs. Thanks a lot, Ralph, for that testimony. We praise God for that deliverance. Take care. Bye-bye. Thank you, Pastor. A miracle of God's grace. He's trying to get his license back. They took it away because there's so many... I think it was three offenses, three driving while intoxicated. Took it away. I went before the court one time, still not going to go back, going to go another time next month, I guess it says then, sometime soon, June maybe. And so, just afraid that the people would give him back his license because he's just, the lawyer took the whole thing, I went, what a trucker, a dope fan and everything else. He's kind of delivered him. When I first started talking to him, I said, well are you tempted to do different things and so forth, is it difficult? No, I have no desire for it. Gone. And the state can't understand that. How can anybody be gone like that? The Lord is able to do it. Talk all you want about AA and the alcoholics. None of this. These fellas come and they go and back on you. All these man-made institutions, they only contribute to the poison. The only cure is the Bible, as Rob said. Amen. He is exactly right. He's a great example of what God can do. Yes, it's amazing. It's a miracle. Of course, the world can't understand it. They don't believe in it. They don't believe the Bible. That's right. They don't believe it's possible. See, how many of you just cold turkey after drinking all of his life? Thirty-some odd years. So, but praise God for that. But the drinkers, when their wine is gone, cut off from your mouth, that's verse 6. What nation do you think is going to come upon the land? If this is Israel, what would the northern tribes, what's coming upon the north? Syria. Syria, okay. So Syria, this... Oops, I got the wrong map. So Syria, north of the ten tribes of Samaria. Yes, Anna? I think it's the Babylonians in the state. Babylon's going to come and be with you. In the record in the book of Joel, it's split for Judah. Well, the thing is, it's confusing because the Scorpio Reference Bible Notes says that he was a prophet of Judah, but also it says he prophesied to the ten tribes of Israel, 800 B.C. So it's a split decision. If he was a friend and lived in the time of Elisha, who is for the north, ten tribes, that would be the north of Israel. Then he's lived the time of Joash, of course Joash was the southern, so it's sort of difficult to understand. If it's the one that's coming upon them that would be for Judah, it would be Babylon, but if it was for the other, it would of course be Assyria. Tammy? What is his scriptural backing on Israel? He doesn't say. He has a chart before. No, he doesn't have one. He just has a chart. The chart would contradict what he says here. See, the chart, he has in the book of Isaiah, opposite the first chapter, the spoken reference Bible has a list of the prophets and who they prophesied to, to Israel or to Judah. And then they give the dates of all these prophets. And he lists the, let's see if I can get it right here. He lists, for instance, prophets before the exile, and prophets during the exile, and prophets after the exile. The prophets before were E Jonah, Amos, Hosea, Obadiah, and Joel, Isaiah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, and Jeremiah. During the exile, Ezekiel and Daniel. After the exile, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi. So he's got them lined up like that. But the ones before the exile, for the ten tribes of Israel, you've got Amos, Hosea, Obadiah and Joel. Here he says in his introduction that he's a prophet of Judah. So then to Judah, Isaiah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, and Jeremiah. So be that as it may. Yes, Bob? What stand did you take, Dan, if you remember that far back? I think we had Obadiah was to You know, Jonah was to Assyria, Saul was, I thought it was to Judah, and Hosea was to ten tribes. That's why... Verse number six, a nation is to come upon my land. If it's to the northern tribes, ten tribes, what nation would that be? If it was to Judah, the land, what nation is coming upon would that be? Babylon. Babylon, way over here in Babylon, see? So... Well, we just have to... Yes ma'am? So when they come down to Guyana and tell me the problem is the Holy Mountain, and so it would seem like that would be the reference to Jerusalem. Yeah, the Holy Mountain, yes. So why wouldn't you be talking about Jerusalem to the northern part? That's right, Tammy. In verse 9, I mean, it talks about the creek, the house of the Lord. I mean, it's not in the northern part, it's in the north, is it? So this is really 800 B.C. and the castivity was quite a bit after the Norman tribes. about 600 B.C., so we have 200 years in. But in other words, this is something that's going to come upon them because of their sin. No matter what, it's northern tribes or southern tribes. But how do they know to say it? Well, that's what he says. It's in the Scorpio. How did he get it? Well, that's Usher's chronology. Where did he get it? Well, he got it from adding up the different chronologies. He gave us two more to do. The chronologies, in other words, these fellows that believe the biblical chronologies, 20 and chapter 3. Usher was very strong. 20 and chapter 3? Yes. Judah shall grow up forever. Judaism, from a better understanding. So it looks like it's a messiah, doesn't it? So his prophet of Judah was certainly one we should take instead of the prophet of the northern tribes. All right, so we have the whole chronology. There's two kinds of chronology. There's biblical chronology and there's things that are not biblical. A lot of the Bible-believing people do not believe the Bible is valid for chronological purposes. I disagree with them. I believe the Bible is accurate in all the purposes. And some of the... We just add up in Genesis chapter 5, Genesis chapter 10. Adam was so many years. and begat his children and he lived so many years after he begat his sons and he died. 12 years. We can add those years up and they're right. A man called me up just the other day and said, what do you think about numbers? Do they mean different things? He was trying to spiritualize all the numbers of the Bible. I said, that's crazy. He said, I was reading it after a woman and she was teaching it. I said, well don't read after that woman anymore. When God says that Adam lived so many years before he had a son, that all the days of Adam were this, all the days of Methuselah were 9 or 69, those were the years. He had all those years. You know how chronologically in the Bible, as Archbishop Usher did, that's what's in the Old Scripture for Archbishop's Bible years. That's his chronology. And he can't go by Mr. Kaepernick. He's completely off on his propensity. I'm not going by anyone. We're just looking at the body. Well, that's true. But what I'm saying is... I wonder, couldn't Usher make a mistake? Oh, of course. But what I'm saying is, we've got to take some of the folks... This is a study that takes your lifetime. Chronology. Dr. Jack Moorman has written a book on chronology. Dr. Jones. It's written a book on chronology. Biblical chronology. We have them. We carry them, see. If you want to study it, it's a whole big fat book. The chronology of the Bible. It's a whole thing. And you have to decide if you want to accept that or not. Except these fellas know what they're doing. Of course, they do know what they're doing. And the old Scorpio notes. Now, the problem with the new Scorpio Bible, they trash the notes. They have no chronology in their Bible, except when they come to David. And then they have the chronology. The Old Testament Bible has 4,004 B.C. in the Old Testament for roughly the creation of man and the creation of the universe. So the whole universe is about 6,000 years of age. And the other ones, they don't believe that. They don't believe it for chronological purposes. They think it's just myth. But I don't believe that. I think that scriptures must be chronological. So, you have to take a position, read up on things, and I would say that if you read back, they have a reason for putting Joel there, they have a reason for putting him with Elisha, they have the date of Elisha, because they know how many years of King Rain. Bill? Usher's book, which he wrote the chronology of, I forget the name of the title, you can get that at christianbook.com. Yes, I think it's called The Romance of Biblical Chronology. What was in there that said that Joel Amor was incarcerated at the time of Joash? If you look at Joash in 2 Chronicles, he lived to about 800 or so. I know, but what I'm saying is where is Joel? Where did he get that form when he was around that time? Well, that's just chronological studies. This is what the... Anna, you have to read the whole books on Bible chronology. You can't just pull these dates out. You have to add up all the words. You can't do it tonight at the Bible site. If you're interested in Bible chronology, you get Dr. John Marmon's book. and get their brother Floyd Jones' book. Both of them are excellent books on Bible chronology. 22-24. 22-24? 22-24. This is just Schofield's note. That's his analogy. I certainly have no reason to doubt it. The book of Joel. Joel, the writer of the book of Joel, was the prophet of the southern kingdom. His name means Jehovah, it's God. His frequent addresses to the priesthood would seem to indicate that he himself was a priest. That's another one. There's all kinds of... We're going to stop right here at verse number six, but do you have any comments or questions Dr. Kovrig? Maybe they're looking at the generation... There's four generations, and I'm not sure what they're assigning to generations. They send 25 years to generation. And that doesn't mean that the fourth generation is constructed immediately. It could be a while, but you break up a generation 25 years and you have 100 years, I believe. You have 50 years and you have 200 years. The 725 B.C. or 700 B.C. or 605-600 B.C. was the two dates of the captivities. The captivities are separated between 75-100 years apart from each other. The states of state seem to be pre-exilic, the reign of Joash. 835-796 B.C. is most appropriate for the prophecy. So under this dictionary, I would agree with the scopio notes. You don't have to accept these. These are people's analyses and these are people's studious background. They have grounds for it. And we have to read the chronology books to see how what years they were. But I'm just giving you what is in the notes. And I think there's no reason to doubt them. Any other comments or questions? All right, let's close in with a word of prayer. Our Father, we thank Thee we can study Thy Word. This Book of Joel, difficult as it may be with all the different pictures and shadows, the drunkards and the difficulties, those that stay with wine, those that are prophesied as going to be judged by a nation that will come upon them, because of their sin. Help us, Lord, as individuals, as believers, that we're saved here this evening, to live for our Savior, that we may not have the judgment coming from Thee, that we may be spared, that just within this life we know we're going to be spared from that great tribulation that will come upon this world, and the Lord Jesus will take us out, and bless us, use us, give us wisdom, as we study this book. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. All right, that's it.