Welcome to Generations Broadcast. Kevin Swanson, your host, with you. Homeschool father of five. Broadcasting from my basement out here in the eastern plains of Colorado. And Bill Jack also in studio with me today as we take a look at what's happening with the news and as we try to salvage a little faith, family, and freedom in the 21st century out here in the United States of America. And one thing I like about living here, Bill, is that we still have something of a remnant of a biblical worldview that just kind of... still is extant in the populace here in the United States. This is not what you find in Russia. It's not what you find in Mexico or other nations around the world. There still is something of an interest in a biblical worldview here in the United States. We're going to get to that in just a moment. Hey, thanks for having me in your bunker. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little bit of a bunker, isn't it? Yeah. It's the basement. But, uh, and it's a little bit of a metaphoric things. You know, bill, we're, we're, we're, we're just out here on the Eastern plains of Colorado. We're just kind of, um, we're not necessarily the most popular radio show in the world. ABC CBS and NBC, they still get a little bit more in terms of downloads than we do. Total. When you combine them. But we're hanging in there. We're still something of a voice. And the thing is, you don't hunker in your bunker. No, we don't hunker in the bunker. It's a beautiful location, but what you're saying is that Christians need to permeate the culture. They sure do. We need people at CBS, NBC, and ABC. We sure do. But the gatekeepers... Make it more difficult, yeah. But if you can make it on the internet, and you can be downloaded in 100 countries around the world, See, that's the beauty of the time in which we live. Yes, sin abounds, but grace abounds. And there are opportunities. And Christians need to seize the opportunities, because there's a lot of bad news out there. It seems to me that the battle is raging, Bill, all the time. In the homeschool market, Christian colleges, it seems to me that there's no time to just mess around because the bad guys are constantly on the run or on a full-court press. And let me give you an example of this, okay? At Worldview Academy, we do camps all over the country. We do them at colleges and universities, and they're week-long camps, so we do them at Christian colleges, Christian-in-name-only colleges, we do them in secular colleges, and I've been in a lot of places. I'm going to name a name for you, Wheaton College. walked into their library when we were doing a camp there. Okay, so we're just renting bed spaces, right? Right. But I walked into their bookstore, I'm sorry, their bookstore, and the featured book at the cash register was written by one of their professors. The book was, Why Christians Can Believe in Evolution. And I thought, wow, that's a clever hook to get Christians to discuss this issue. And so he's probably just doing this just to, you know, raise the ire of Christians and then he's going to... And you get the book and then you find out he's biblical. And the answer is no. Oh, it didn't work that way. It didn't work that way. This was the featured book at the Mecca at one time of Christendom. I mean, we all, all Christians used to pray towards Wheaton, but now we pray towards Colorado Springs. My grandfather was business manager at Wheaton College in the seventies. Okay. I mean, I have, I'm like Wheaton roots, big time Wheaton roots. My dad went there. My grandfather was business manager at the college. And so, yeah, But it's infiltrating. But see, here's what happens. As it turns out, did you know that twice as many liberal arts professors believe in old earth evolution versus science professors in Christian colleges? Yes. It's not the science department that is the problem. That's right. It's the Bible department. It's the Bible department that's always the problem. Twice as likely to believe. And it's not because they know more about science. Because liberal arts professors are liberal. That's the way it works. And liberal arts colleges, Christian liberal arts colleges, are going to liberalize. That's what they do, and they do that really, really well. That's why I wrote my book Apostate, because I really wanted to roll a hand grenade into the garden party of liberal arts universities. Did you pull the pin first? Oh yeah, I did. Oh, you did? Sorry, I'm swinging the teeth right there. Okay, well let's talk about Bryan College, because we're talking about Christian colleges now. Bryan College is in the news. They could lose faculty over the creationism dispute. Turns out the president of the college and the board of the college tightened up the creation stance just ever so slightly. Apparently, the statement had already expressed, the statement concerning creation, the statement of belief, already expressed that man was created by God. However, the clarification that has come recently from the board and the trustees states that Adam and Eve were historical people who were not created from previously existing life forms. And boy, the professors are up in arms. Since that move, the school's 44 professors have voted a 30-2, no confidence in the school's president. With six abstaining, only two people voted for the guy. Students and alumni have penned petitions over the controversy and one trustee has resigned. Isn't that something? Because they clarified that Adam and Eve were historical people. That's right. Real people in real time, real space history. Sort of like the way Jesus looked at them. Jesus looked at Adam as a real person. Adam and Eve as real people. So did Paul. Paul said, yeah, Adam's a real person as much as Jesus is a real person. Paul in Romans chapter five. So, okay, Jesus and Paul believe that Adam and Eve were real people and real historical people, but liberal arts professors tend to be liberal. Okay. So Peter Innes, former professor at Westminster, was kicked out for his heresy. Yeah, he was. And he's now one of the founders of BioLogos. Yes, he is. Peter N. says that Paul was a first century Christian. Right, he didn't know what he was talking about. No, no, it's even worse than that, Kevin. Not only is he saying that Paul was ignorant, okay? He's saying that Paul was wrong. Now he's saying that the man who gave us much of the New Testament was wrong. If that doesn't make Christians turn over tables, braid whips, and drive people out of the temples, what is? Man alive. I think it's undermining of the epistemological authority of the Word of God, as if God doesn't know what he's talking about. Paul gets a lot of this info from Jesus Christ himself, who is exalted on the right hand of the Father, and he's in communication with Jesus Christ. If Jesus Christ is on the right hand of the Father, Don't you think that Jesus Christ, as God on the right hand of the Father, knew what was going on in the creation of Adam and Eve and everything else? I get this argument all the time. Don't you think that God, or Jesus Christ on the right hand of the Father, the Son of God, would have known more about history and more about the creation story than Peter Enns? Don't you think so? I would think so. But it goes back to the arrogance, it goes back to the pride of man. Don't tell us what to do. And so as a result, they try to dismiss Moses. And what's interesting, I was just reading in Numbers chapter 12, and you remember when God said, okay, Moses, Miriam, and Aaron, come out here, come outside, because Miriam and Aaron were grumbling against Moses. They were saying things like, are you telling me that God only speaks through Moses? Now here's the interesting thing. He calls him out and he says, Miriam, Aaron, you step forward. Come here. And he says, I speak to prophets in dreams and visions. That is not the case with Moses. He said, Moses is the most humble of all. He said, I speak to him face to face. One translation says, I do not speak to him in riddles. Now that should settle it. when we try to reinterpret Genesis 1, 2, and 3, because who wrote the first five books? It was Moses. He compiled and he wrote them. Do you think God is saying, you know, Moses misunderstood Jesus in Matthew 19 when he was asked about divorce? Okay. Jesus' response was, have you not read that from the beginning he made them male and female? Now here's the thing. It's not a stretch of the imagination to imagine that from the beginning is the end of a creation week, six days. It is a huge stretch to imagine it's the end of 6,000 years or 6 million years. Beyond that, Jesus had the opportunity to say, wait, wait, wait, before we get into this issue of divorce, let me correct an error that you Jews have had all these years, and that is this error that it was six days. It was just an allegory. He had the opportunity to correct that misunderstanding. Did he not? Yeah. Did he do so? No. He confirmed that what Moses wrote was true history, and the arrogance of a Peter Innes, or the arrogance of the faculty, if this is the case, if that is a true report, the faculty at Bryan College saying, you know, we are going to call for this man to resign because he has the audacity to say that Adam and Eve were historical people. If there was no historical Adam and Eve, there was no original sin. If there was no original sin, there is no need of a Savior. If there's no need of a Savior, there's no need of Jesus dying on the cross. It makes a mockery of the work of Christ on the cross. And Bill, the sad part of this is that the professors, the teachers, the people that are out there indoctrinating the next generation of young people so as to be sure that the next generation of young people are as liberal as possible are the professors. And typically in these colleges, you'll find that the president and the board are the most conservative. And that's the way it was with Westminster. My understanding is that Westminster professors would have kept Peter Enns, but the board kicked him out, a board largely made up of more conservative pastors. Same thing with these Christian colleges. I think the board tends to be more conservative, but the professors, by definition, by definition, because the system itself is going to be liberal and progressive and, shall we just say, apostatizing, The professors tend to be more liberal and they will maintain that direction towards liberalization. And I think it comes out of the liberal arts end of things. I think you have not seen a strong battle, a strong worldview battle in the area of liberal arts. You've seen it in science, thanks to Henry Morris, John C. Whitcomb, Genesis Flood, and that kind of stuff that came out of the 1960s, but we have not seen a very hardcore battle between thesis and antithesis in the area of liberal arts and I think that's largely because nobody has suggested this. Now my book Apostate is meant to bring that thesis antithesis battle into the liberal arts, especially the literature department, which by the way happens to be the most liberal of all the liberal arts departments. The literature department, religious studies departments are the two most liberal, most likely to vote for Barack Obama if you want to study these Christian colleges. And let me say one more thing, the majority of Wheaton College professors went for Barack Obama in 2008. It was reported by one news agency. So people need to understand, they check their kids into Christian colleges, your kids will more than likely turn out to be liberal. More than likely, they'll turn out to be liberal. Unless they get out there with a battle mindset and understand there is a battle between thesis antithesis and it rages just as ferociously at Wheaton College as it does at your local state college. Perhaps even more so, because parents say, my student will be safe here, and we let down our guard. And I would say it's not by definition that they're liberal, it is by education that they're liberal, because most of these professors who teach at Christian colleges go through the secular education system, and to maintain their credibility and to get their credentials, they have to kowtow. to, they have to give lip service to, but by doing so eventually they get brainwashed into a secular mindset. My belief is that the further one goes in one's education, the more advanced degrees one receives, the more difficult it is to maintain a biblical worldview, because everything in education mitigates against a biblical worldview. The structure itself is not based on a biblical theory of epistemology, metaphysics, and ethics. And I think we need to press people back to their presuppositions again and again. What is the assumption here? The assumption is naturalism or materialism. The basic assumption is that God cannot in any way interfere with this world. And if he does, that counters the worldview. We believe in a naturalistic or supernaturalistic worldview, which means that God can enter anytime He wants. He can short-circuit natural laws if He wants to. Jesus Christ obviously did that. God did it when He raised Jesus Christ from the dead, hence Resurrection Day. And He did it with the worldwide flood. And He did it with the creation of this world in six 24-hour days. Ex nihilo. And so it's the naturalistic, materialistic worldview that does not allow for God to enter the metaphysic. But we say, hey, God by definition can enter the metaphysic, He has to create the metaphysic, and He has to ordain everything that happens in reality, or that reality is a product of chance. And that cannot be. Ultimately, Bill, I think it's a rejection of God's involvement in ethics. They just don't want God to tell them what to do. This is why Wheaton College, or some of the students, a fair number of students at Wheaton College were up in arms when Rosario Butterfield did her presentation on what happened in her life when God saved her from the homosexual lifestyle. She walked in there and did her little presentation, and boy, she got a lot of flack. at Wheaton College for what she did. Praise God for her guts or courage to get in there and say that. And I would say it wasn't the students who initiated that. Probably the professors? It was because they didn't think of that themselves. It came from the profs at that university who infected the students with that information, and therefore they were the, well, as Marxists used to say, useful idiots. in going out and protesting a woman who came to faith in Christ, who escaped a devastating lifestyle because of the love of a pastor exhibited in her life. And what those students were doing was not loving. What those students were doing was just spouting the party line. You know, I wonder if these colleges are salvageable. You ever wonder that? Bryan College, Wheaton College, Phil Ryken is the president of Wheaton College. I have respect for him. I respect for this president of Bryan College as well and the decision that he and the board came up with. But is the system itself salvageable? If we, as Christians, realize that we tend to go towards credibility as the default setting, we've got to maintain credibility. We can't be these Bible thumpers. It is way past time that we hang on to the myths of six-day creation, the myths of original sin, etc., etc., etc. If we stop seeking credibility with the secular community, Then yes, there is hope. And if we have presidents like these men who will hold the line, but the pressure against them is immense, because we now have the faculty running the – colleges. It's like the inmates are running the institution. Yeah and for the most part they're liberal and they come from liberal institutions as you said and I think without the fear of God as the beginning of wisdom and with the academic pride or academic arrogance as high as it is, as endemic as it is throughout academia, I'm wondering if there ought not to be something of a humility, something of the fear of God, something of the worship of God completely integrated in every single class and also rejection of the antithesis. A battle. When you enter the classroom, you need to see that there is a battle between evolution or a materialistic evolutionary theory and a biblical approach to creation and the worldwide flood. You have to see that there's a battle between Mark Twain and the Word of God. Mark Twain, one of the most demonic men, wrote satanic letters at the end of his miserable life and spent most of his life developing an apologetic against the Bible. Somebody needs to get in and rip up Mark Twain and discuss all of the problems with Nathaniel Hawthorne and his sick little story, The Scarlet Letter. See, again, saying that in a Christian college liberal arts classroom is anathema. Anathema. Why? Because the classics are the classics. And there ought not to be any worldview competition or battle raging in the liberal arts classroom, literature classroom according to the liberal arts professors. I say forget that. We need to bring worldview battles into every single classroom and we need to hold the feet to the fire of every philosopher, literary giant, anybody who tried to write something that opposed the knowledge of God in Christ. There ought to be more battles raging. And that's what Christian college, certainly Christian liberal arts colleges, need to be all about. You enter the college classroom, you enter a battle zone, and you take no prisoners. Exactly. You know, I taught for 10 years in the public high schools back in Illinois. I taught literature, a lot of grammar. But if I were going to be subversive, I would teach one of two things. I wouldn't teach the hard sciences. I would teach either literature, because I can choose the piece of literature the student is required to read, and I can interpret it the way I wish. So I can mold the student's mind. The second area would be history, because I can pick and choose how to interpret the historical events. So those would be the two areas. And as you pointed out, at colleges, Christian colleges, those are the most liberal departments, because they have been infiltrated by secular thought. And yes, it is a battle. There is nothing neutral. There is no neutral ground. As C.S. Lewis said, you can't safely lay the reins on the horse's neck anywhere. Well, and I appreciate the work Paul Johnson did back in the 1980s with intellectuals and some of his historical works. So there's been some good stuff out there and some attempts to bring back a Christian world and life view in some respects. Well, you know, for example, Patrick Henry College. Yeah. You know, that was established because of this very problem. Right, right. So there have been some efforts. Hillsdale College would be another. Grove City College, a few colleges out there. have something of a Christian world and life view in which they're trying to bring back the battle in the liberal arts classroom. And I would recommend my book Apostate. By the way, we have sent copies of Apostate to just about every liberal arts professor we can find in every Christian college in America. trying to bring back this battle of ideas and hopefully we can see something of battle return and something of the faith salvaged. Okay friends, be back in just a moment. We want to talk a little bit more about what's happening with creation and evolution. Among the populace in America, as it turns out, the populace is far more likely to believe in a creative God than evolutionists or scientists. Be back in just a moment. This is Kevin Swanson, the program, His Generations. Well, here we are on the last day at the bottom of the 9th, two outs, bases loaded. We have Swanson on 1st, Boyer on 2nd, and Bill Jack on 3rd. I tell ya, it sure has been a super conference championship. Well, here comes their heavy hitter, Vody Bokum. You know, he sure has had a great year. He's been knocking out of the park, hasn't he? Oh yeah, on a pretty regular basis. Well, there's the windup and the pitch. It's a long fly ball down the right field line. It has the distance. And you can kiss it goodbye! Another home run, a walk-off grand slam! Ryan, Ryan, wake up, bud, wake up! Did I miss it? Did you miss what? The Rocky Mountain Super Conference on the family! No, no, that's not until June 12th to 14th. Oh, that's good! With all the heavy hitters this year, I do not want to miss this one. Well, it's pretty easy to sign up. All you have to do is go to check.org. Check.org? Yeah, C-H-E-C.org. But you'd better sign up today. You're not going to want to miss this one. We're back on the Generations Radio Broadcast. Kevin Swanson here, Bill Jack also in studio with us. We talk about creation evolution. Bill Jack is talking about creation evolution for the last 35 years of his life. You were doing tours through the Natural History Museum here in Denver for a number of years. You still do some tours. Yes, occasionally I do. My buddy Rusty Carter does BC tours. BC tours, right, right, right, right. And you always irritate the people downtown. I remember a couple of the newspapers would do articles on you guys and you'd be a little about creation events. Who in the world has the guts to walk into one of those humanist temples and start talking about the other religion? That's exactly what it is. That was such an insult to the system. You know, you stand there and say, and so God created this 6,000 years, and over here you see the effects of the worldwide flood, and you're like going through, and everybody's freaking out. And see, that's what Christians need to do. We need to walk into their temples. Sure. We need to mock their ideas. Absolutely. Absolutely. Paul did that on Mars Hill. Why can't we do it in the natural history museums? There was kind of a contest between Baal and the true gods. There was. We need to call down fire from heaven. Why not? Why not? Okay, well, speaking of creation and evolution, here's an AP story. It's all over the place. ABC, NBC, everybody's covered it. A few Americans question that smoking causes cancer, but they express bigger doubts as concepts that scientists consider to be trues get further from our own experiences in the present time. An APGFK poll found Americans have more skepticism than confidence in global warming, the age of the Earth, evolution and have the most trouble believing a big bang created the universe 13.8 billion years ago. I always like that. 13.8 billion years ago. Dialed it in. That's right. Taking the snapshot. I hope they had the little date there on the photo. You've got to have the date on the photo to really prove it to be 13.8 billion years ago. If it ain't on film, it didn't happen. That's right. Rather than quizzing scientific knowledge, the survey asked people to rate their confidence in several statements about science and medicine. Just 4% doubt that smoking causes cancer. 6% question whether mental illness is a medical condition that affects the brain. 8% are skeptical there's a genetic code inside our cells. About 4 in 10 say they're not too confident or outright disbelieve that the earth is warming. Mostly a result of man-made heat trapping gases that the earth is 4.5 billion years old or that life on earth evolved through a process of natural selection. Though most were at least somewhat confident in each of these concepts, but a narrow majority, 51% questions the Big Bang Theory. 51% and that's really upsetting. These results depress and upset some of America's top scientists including several Nobel Prize winners who've vouched for the science in the statements tested, calling them settled scientific facts. There's nothing worse than a depressed scientist. I've got a Ph.D. Piled higher and deeper. I got a Ph.D. right here. Read it. Ph.D. And I tell you, the rock turned into a human being by total absolute mechanism of chance. We have no mechanism. We have no idea how it happened. We can't repeat it in a laboratory. and there's no evidence in the fossil records for intermediate forms, and, and, and, and, and, and, but trust me, I've got a PhD. You're pounding on the desk again, Kevin. Come on, you need to calm down a little bit. But see, these guys are depressed over the fact that people aren't believing it. Yes. You know, and I've made this point before, they've spent an awful lot of money convincing them. The Emperor's New Clothes propaganda campaign has spent $20 trillion? $80 trillion? That's funny. It's the title of one of my DVDs, The Emperor's New Clothes. It's all about the progressive creationism. Yeah. Wow. They think they've convinced everybody. They haven't. And you know why? Why? Because truth will out. You know it's written on our hearts if i can i'll give you an example of what i'm talking about it as you know i worldview academy do camps we do leadership camps for students and at one camp in oregon. I was walking out i was getting ready to go teach it was walking clear across the campus and and. We kind of met i met a one of our college staff and she was walking with a student and she said this student has a question for you and i said okay and she said you know i'm an atheist. And I just, I understand what's going on. I really like the camp. This was on Wednesday. So we started on Sunday. This is Wednesday. And she said, but I just don't understand my need for Jesus. Well, first of all, to have an atheist at a worldview Academy camp is rare because this is a Christian leadership training program. So I said, well, how'd you come to be at worldview? This is really unusual. She said, well, my parents are atheists, but they wanted me to investigate. all the different beliefs and one of your former college staff works for my dad and she recommended it and i said okay and so i gave her the gospel as we walk across the campus and i got to the classroom and i thought this is gonna be really great because today is the day that that all the students go out and share their faith on the campus every wednesday that's what happens that's what makes us unique okay is a practical application she said well i'm sorry but i i'm not feeling well i'm having to go home my mom is on her way down to pick me up And I was just crushed. I thought, because this would be a great opportunity. So I finished giving her the gospel. I said, does that make sense? And she said, yes, but she was crying. And I said, why are you crying? She said, because I just, I just don't think I'm going to do that right now. And I, she left and I'm crushed. Okay. Go in and teach. And later that afternoon, after the students come back from witnessing her college counselor comes over and she says, by the way, Anna said, as we were coming down the elevator with her bags and her mom was picking her up, she turned to me and she said, tell Bill I did what he said. What was that? Trust Christ. 17 years of atheist indoctrination trumped by three days of truth. If Christians go out and speak the truth in love, it accomplishes things. 17 years of indoctrination into atheism was wiped out by three days of truth. That's why these scientists are depressed, because they cannot get us to buy the lie, because it is written on our hearts. We know that we are not here by chance, that we are purposeful, not purposeless creatures, that we have worth and value because we are created. We are the image of our Creator. We're his ambassador on this planet. We have a reason for being here. You cannot wipe that out, even in 17 years. It doesn't take as much money to fund light as it does to fund darkness. Right? Yep. You get $20 trillion funding darkness, funding the lie. which is really what you get, right? 99.5% of universities teaching biology teach it from an old earth evolutionary perspective. So, you know, we've got 20, $30 trillion a year funding this pro-evolution doctrine. Meanwhile, what do we have? $6 million? You know, whatever it is, it's funding our tiny little ministries and encouraging the little guy with the bullhorn saying, hey, the dude's nude. And the results are, that we still have hung on to 40-50% of Americans. We're still doing kind of good. Now, it would be nice if we get a little more help from Bryan College, Wheaton College. A little more help. A little more help here, guys. A little more help. But you know what those professor jobs are? is to keep the paper taped over the stained glass windows so the light doesn't come through. That's their job, is to tape up the windows so the light doesn't shine through. Instead of saying, we're here to examine and enlighten you with truth and grace, their job is to keep the light out. Well, and I believe that you don't resolve issues by counting PhDs and not many PhDs disagree on gravity. But there are a lot of PhDs that disagree on man-caused global warming. A lot of PhDs will disagree on the age of the Earth. A lot of them. Well, they need to be burned at the stake if they disagree. There's disagreement between PhDs. And just by saying that, and you know, creationists do count their PhDs or their guys with master's degrees. ICR used to do that all the time. So you've got all these creationists with PhDs and astrophysicists and all the rest And then you've got all these other guys, these evolutionists with PhDs, and they're counting them. They're all counting how many PhDs they have. You don't do science by majority opinion. Yeah, exactly. Truth is not determined by counting PhDs. And that's, I think, what I want people to take out of this presentation today. You do not determine truth by counting PhDs. You determine truth by the Word of God. That has to be the standard for truth. Now, you have to interpret history. You have to understand history. by the word of God. There's no other way to do that, Bill. History is highly debatable as to what happened. Now we can sit here and say, you know, sit here watching eyewitnesses and we can see some event happening in this room and it may have happened five minutes ago and we can pretty much establish agreement on what happened five minutes ago. But five months ago? Bill, I was struggling with when was the last time you and I were both in studio together. I don't know when it was. It might have been five years ago. It might have been eight years ago. Who knows? It's very hard to interpret history, especially when it's been five years. Now, how hard would it be after 500 years? After 5,000 years? After 6,000 years? After 5 million years? 5 billion years? It's impossible. Impossible to get it right. unless you assume uniformitarianism, unless you assume, assume, assume, assume, assume, assume with your dating methods, unless you assume and assume and assume. You know what assume does. Everybody has assumptions. Oh yes. So it is a matter of whom are you going to trust. Right. It's not a matter of the facts, it's a matter of whom are you going to trust. Are you going to trust man's wisdom or are you going to trust God's word? Yep, yep, exactly. And you can look at the data and say it appears not a lot of transitional forms. I would expect more transitional forms. I would expect something of a mechanism. Someone would have a mechanism. That someone would prove something of that mechanism in a laboratory somewhere. I would assume evidence. Scientists used to need evidence. They used to want to see something repeated in a laboratory before they began to think of that as a possible mechanism for something that happened a hundred years ago. People used to need that. You're so old school. You're so old school. But my point is that, friends, by the time you're counting PhDs to determine truth, and by the time you are assuming all of these things and bring about some kind of a weird evolutionary tale and calling that science, that, my friends, is the destruction of science in the modern world. And I think we're seeing the destruction of science and the scientific mind in the modern world because of what is happening in these liberal arts colleges. It turns out there's a reason why twice as many liberal arts professors in Christian colleges believe in older evolution versus the science department heads. There's a reason for that. And the reason is because compromise is what liberal arts professors are about in general. Well, friends, it's been Bill Jack and Kevin Swanson discussing these matters on this edition of The Generation's broadcast. You can interact with the program by emailing me directly at hostkevinswanson.com. This is Kevin Swanson inviting you back again next time as we continue to lay down a vision for the next generation.