Okay, I know the problem and they don't even know the question is what they're saying, okay is Subdue and bind the same thing Actually what you need to do is just command the wicked spirit as to what to do don't use don't use such Terms as I bind you or I subdue you bind you to what? Let's say you must obey tell him what to obey. I That was good, wow, give him a hand, that was short. When a person becomes a Christian, can demons, evil spirits stay? Bill Mummert. Yes, until you renounce the ground and get rid of them. Question for Fred, who fortunately didn't leave. Boy, wow, this is like a game show. What is your answer? Question for Fred. What, if any, are the dangers of holistic healing? Holistic healing, if taken from the proper standpoint that you must ask questions and seek help for the whole person, is okay. However, if it's a new age type holistic healing that says you have the power within yourself to heal yourself, or if it uses holistic methodology with the occult, applied kinesiology, That is, you hold things in your hands, see if the muscles are strengthened or so forth, or somebody checks the balance, the power balance in your system. That is not good. We're talking about another worldview that's not of God. It's like the worldview that's associated with acupressure, acupuncture, and actually the same worldviews involved in karate and kung fu. Twelve meridians of energy flow through you. If they're not in balance, you're not in health. So that's not a worldview because that's a non-personal God whose energy is flowing through you. I reject all sorts of holistic healing that come from a New Age point of view. Here's someone who knows how lengthy some of our answers can get because they gave a very... Hey! Blessings Fred! When he retires from Moody, we'll just keep him all the way to the end. Here's someone who just gave the answer. Yes or no? Can demonic transfer occur from shaking hands? Yes or no? No. That's it? Not unless there's someone who may be trying to transfer a curse. And through some ritual he said this will be transferred by shaking hands with this person. But if you've been protecting yourself from curses, that won't happen either. For Bill Mummert, I recently attended a Bible study group comprised of people I believe to be sincerely committed Christians. During prayer time, we held hands and the people on both sides were speaking in tongues. Is that dangerous in terms of laying on of hands and transference? Or is this okay since the pastor has commissioned a person to be there to be the leader and it's under his control. If not okay, should I not attend this group? Well, I would say that the same answer that Mark just gave applies there, at least in my understanding. If you've been praying and protecting yourself, I don't think anything would become of that. And, uh, what was there a second part there? Oh, should they stop being at the group? Well, I think if they're concerned that there are some problems there that they're not comfortable with and that there may be some, uh, demonic power there, then that would probably be a good idea, I would say yes. Can Christians be carriers of evil spirits and pass them around? You know, you fellows could bring your chairs out here where they can see you. I'm sorry, I didn't get that whole question. I'm sorry. Can Christians be carriers of evil spirits and pass them around? Well, Christians can certainly be troubled with demons, And the major ones that you'd have to be concerned about would be your own children, mostly through the generational transfer. And hopefully every Christian is going to want to be free of any kind of demonic rule. So if you're walking in your freedom, you don't have to worry about that or claiming your freedom. Could I just also say that I think there are a lot of powers of darkness being transferred around in Christian circles. One of the great lacks, I think, in our churches today is that we do not follow at all. We don't even consider 1 John chapter 4, the beginning of that, of testing the spirits to see whether or not they are of God. We just accept anything that works, that's pragmatism, as being from God, particularly if it's supernatural in nature. We need to test the spirits. I have a friend who has been diagnosed as manic-depressive for many years. Four years ago, this friend was an exquisitely beautiful woman. Now, this 37-year-old woman has only four teeth in her mouth. Her face is severely scarred. She has strange accidents, burns herself, falls down stairs. Her body is being destroyed. Her parents are Christians who set up special meetings to pray for this daughter. Where do they find this professional help? This woman lives in Virginia. Her parents live in Florida. Is there something which can be done without professional help? So I guess the two basic things of the question, where do they turn for the right kind of help and what can be done until they find that help? Manic depression, of course, is something that's often associated with chemical imbalance. I don't know the details of this situation. I mentioned in an earlier session that almost without exception, when any of us are weakened, whether it's physical weakness or emotional weakness, demonic powers are going to move in. So there may be both there. So far as the help is concerned, we do have a list in our office, but I wouldn't be prepared here at this moment to tell who might be near them. All right, did you have something to add or, okay. Will there be deliverance ministry to people here at the conference? Well, yes, there has been, with what time the various speakers have had to meet with people. But I also sensed at this conference, I'm answering the first half myself, the need for, it's out of sensing the fact that what happened here is what happens Every time I address a group of ministers and when I addressed twice a group of professionals at a state hospital, not one question was ever about their clients. Every question was, how do I get this help for myself? And that's good. I mean, I'm thrilled that they're being that honest. My point is that that's why I've been sensing the great need now for some specialized clinical training so that at conferences like this, we may have 25, 30 very well mature, developed, trained people. And so that anyone who is coming with a personal battles and problems and needs and questions can have personal help as well as the group session. So we're going to try to address that. And how can I minister deliverance to myself or must I always have others pray and cast out spirits? Very good question. Of course, Steps to Freedom that I just went through hopefully provide people with a very workable plan for themselves as well as using to help others. So yes, people can get free on their own. And that's the whole approach that we take. We don't want ourselves set up as deliverers. We're simply helpers. In fact, the majority of a person who is helping people is to teach them how to grow and stand firm themselves, not to do it for them. The only time you do something for someone is when, for some reason, they're not in a position to do it for themselves. Our work is to make people strong in the faith. And the more they grow in battle on their own, the more they learn how to help others as well. Interesting question. Would you please address the issue of breaking geographical bondage in oppressed areas, citywide, countywide, state, nationally, so forth? I think we need to be careful of this kind of approach because it can become sort of mystical in itself, where you're sort of asking God or asking the Holy Spirit to tell you who the spirits are over a given area. I cover that in the Satanic Revival somewhat. I do feel that it's legitimate for all of us to pray against what we see as something that's very obvious in our area. Maybe it's a traction to the spiritistic healing, which I think is very prominent in this area. And it's probably because of powwowing that's gone on so long in this area. So you could pray against that. That would be very much in order. Any other kinds of things that you see of that nature? Well, one of the things that I know I do in my prayer life is I don't worry about who's in control of the area. I see certain things in our area that are the same and some dissimilar from this area where we are right now that I pray about. But I also just pray that God will weaken whoever is over that area and strengthen God's people. And that's not just for my own church, but the churches in the area where the Word is being preached, that those people would be strengthened. If someone in your family is the object of harassment by an unbeliever, is there anything I as a third person can do besides pray? Can I bind the demons in absentia? Well, first of all, we don't know that the harassment is coming from powers of darkness. It may just be a person who doesn't like that individual that may be aided by powers of darkness. I'm not saying it isn't that. But when we say, is there anything I can do besides just pray? I think prayer is, as I said last night, the number one thing that we need to do and just pray that God may intervene and that if it is power of darkness working through that person, There was a prayer I believe that you put up yesterday on the board that pray for someone who is being troubled or harassed would be very appropriate at that time to pray some doctrinal prayer in that direction. I have heard in this seminar a confirmation of the fact that we as Christians do fall out of fellowship with the Lord, but that the Holy Spirit will convict and attempt to draw us back in line. Is it possible one may die before the Holy Spirit restores that individual into fellowship again? Yes, I think that's a possibility. I think there is such a thing as a sin unto death. It doesn't mean that that person's lost. It does mean that he may suffer the loss of his rewards. I believe it's even possible that the Lord, if a person is stubbornly refusing the disciplines of the Lord and is disgracing the name of the Lord, that God sometimes will remove them. And that's not a very pleasant way to go into the presence of the Lord, but that's in 1 Corinthians 11 concerning communion. And in 1 John 5, I believe it is, where it's mentioned the sin unto death. We're zipping fast. And boy, these men, you people must be praying. But don't worry about that. I know probably, I just went through my mind, probably some of you might be saying, man, my brain's going to jerk here in a second. This is all being taped, so this winter you can go through these and slow your tape down and you'll hear me asking, and the next question. You can take it at any speed you want this winter. What about the, oh, I asked you to print. What about the anointing with oil and the sprinkling of holy water by a layperson, stressing it is the prayer said over the elements by the layperson which releases the power of God. The anointing and sprinkling is only symbolic. Well, let me just say something first. I would look at that and say that the scriptures, we've mentioned to be very careful who you have praying over you or anointing you or doing anything. That's been brought out, I think, by all of us over the course of the past four days. The scripture is very clear in James that you're to call the elders of the church. They are known men of God in the local church, proven men of God, or at least I hope so, anyway, that we know and can trust that have been recognized there in the local church. I tell people personally to restrict that kind of activity to them. Mark might want to add something. I agree with that. I think it's very dangerous to think of oil as something mystical and magical or water, whatever it is, that's very close to powwowing. And be very, very careful about that sort of thing. We don't depend on magical waters or magical oils. We depend on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and his finished work. And be careful that you don't get drawn into that. If I could just add one thing, I've been in public work for now for about a quarter of a century, and when you're in this type of work, traveling all over the continent, you're approached by about everything the Christendom has in it. And I've had more words of knowledge presented to me about myself and my ministry, and I will announce to you this, number one, to this date, not one of them has even been close to accurate. And so, and I'm not putting that down. I'm just telling you that the church is overrun with all kinds of things of this nature and people have put objects in my hand that would be my magic power and that would take care of me and this and it'll be a cross or this or that. Please, I want to write a book someday called Hogwash. I'm serious. I want to teach God's people to have the courage to look at someone and say hogwash. Because your fear is, what if this is of God? You need to learn that the Word of God and His Spirit is all you need. You don't need objects and coins and objects and oil and so forth. Now, if you use oil as the Bible directs with the pastor and the elders, fine. But beyond that, you can say hogwash. By the way, that oil that's mentioned in James Chapter 5 is not anointing oil in a spiritual sense. It's healing oil. Different word altogether. Excellent. Okay. Is there any special reason that a third of the angels left heaven with... Now this question could go into hours, so we will keep it down to a minute. But is there any special reason that a third of the angels left heaven with Satan, and how many was that? Well, I was a third. When did this happen before time began? Is this okay if I answer some of these? If angels left heaven, could it happen again? And where are they and what do they do? And wow, why is there a Satan? And why did Satan and the angels have to come from heaven? This theologian that wrote these questions, anybody wanna tackle any part of that? Well, I'd say one thing, Fred's book will address a lot of the answers to that question. But we don't know how many a third is. We know that Revelation speaks several times of an innumerable number, tens of thousands times tens of thousands and so on. But, you know, I would say that if you get Fred's book, Angels Elect and Fallen, you'll get some answers to some of that. Good answer. I meant to use the word medicinal oil instead of healing oil. It was like medicine that was to be applied. oil with medicinal value rather than ceremonial healing oil. My daughter, age 10, plays with a neighborhood girl whose family is from Sri Lanka and they are Buddhist. While this young girl has always been polite, my husband and I have a growing sense of uneasiness when we are with her. What can we do to instruct, protect our child? Well, I think the same thing we should do to instruct and protect our children from some of their Christian friends' wrong practices. We need to teach our children to not get involved in mystical games and superstitious activities. Just playing with a little Buddhist girl may be the only light that little Buddhist girl will have. But don't go to a Buddhist temple and take your shoes off your feet to attend somebody's funeral because That's an act of worship. So we do need to be very careful about these things. The other night after leaving from here, I turned our local radio station on. There was a call-in program in progress. The topic was about people who have cancer and how they were able to cope with it. Two different callers called and one said she needs to have strength to take care of her family and she recommends acupuncture because it does wonders for her energy level. You know, if someone sticks a needle in you, that can do wonders for all kinds of levels, can't it? Like the fellow that was being chased by a bull, and he was running as fast as he could, and the bull was catching up, and that bull snorted behind him, and he jumped to catch a limb that was 15 feet high, and he missed it, but he did catch it on the way down. That'll get home a minute. That's called motivation. Another one said, how yoga has helped her. Is this a general, obvious indication of the need for a conference like this? Yes. There must be an amount of ignorance, an incredible amount of ignorance. True, true. What about these two methods? Are they harmful if done innocently? Yes. I think it goes back to what someone mentioned the other day, that there are a lot of needs and people will seek whatever source seems to help for that need. There's a reason people right here in this county go to powwows. Several reasons, in fact. One is that many times it works. That's what we call the pragmatic view, pragmatism. If it works, it must be good. When we put that in the Christian context or the religious context, we say, well, if it works, it must be of God. Not so. Satan does many things that work, and so we have to be very careful what we get involved in. Also, let's emphasize again that the problem moves into a higher area of problem. It's not unusual for somebody who, like this woman, who gets this increased energy level, all of a sudden to find she can't pray anymore or she can't read her Bible. She thought she got help, but actually she just moved in a spiritual problem that It really hurts her. Here's a very good perceptive question in references to Jude 8, 9 and 2 Peter 2, 11 talks about slandering, railing celestial beings. Michael the archangel did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, the devil, but said, the Lord rebuked you. How does that apply to me? In what ways, words, actions, and thoughts could I be out of God's will in this matter? Would it be sin to speak of the enemy in degrading terms, let's say during discussion regarding his work and in a person's life? That's a good question and one that needs to be answered and usually somebody answers it in the course of presentation. The position of believers united with Jesus Christ and all of his person and work, is a higher position than Michael's position. Michael is the archangel. Michael is the highest of the holy angels. And as Fred mentioned, he probably is the same level as Satan. And so he did not have the authority in his created rank to rebuke Satan. But he was on a divine mission, so he simply said, the Lord rebuke you. It is not wrong for a Christian to say, the Lord rebuke you. But the Lord has told the believer to resist Satan steadfast in the faith. And sometimes I think the Lord might say to you and me, when we ask the Lord to rebuke the enemy, he might say to you, you do it. I want you to learn to stand in my authority and freedom. I'm going through here technical questions. we may bypass for time's sake if we need to. I'm trying to find the questions that really are very personal, so because technical questions can be answered eventually. You were just switching hands, okay. What would be the way to minister deliverance to a medical doctor or anyone who is not yet saved? I know first they must be saved. How can you help someone who thinks they don't need help? They think how they are is normal because they always have been that way. There's some good prayers in The Adversary which will help you understand how to pray for unsaved people that you think might be demonized. I think it's probably better to let you read it out of there than to try to answer it here. When a person has memory blanks, is this disassociation, MPD, splitting, or a demon of forgetfulness, or neither, just poor memory? What was that question again? Some people remember a lot, some cannot. I think it could be any or all of the above, and even other things. I've had friends that have had heavy drug use and have really ruined portions of their mind, particularly in the area of recall. It had nothing to do with demonism or anything. Sometimes I've seen through God's work, though after a period of time they begin to get better. To keep answers short, I would just say it would be any or all of the above, and that would come out as a person goes through a process of being delivered. Can demons do things without a body? I always thought spirits needed a body to work through. Demons, of course, are spirit beings that communicate like spirit beings do. I personally think usually that is through thought. But we know they can communicate in other ways, even through apparitions or spiritistic appearances. Someone just shared with me how some lady saw a dark folk spirit being walk down the aisle of the church, go up on the platform, and walk out again. And of course, that's an apparition spirit appearance. But they do like bodies. We know that. They do not like to be disembodied spirits. But just why that is, I don't think the scripture tells us, but they do not need a body to do their wicked work. As in the case of Job, blew a home down and so forth. Okay. Can spirits come into your home and piggyback on people? Well, I think we addressed a question similar to this the other day. that, you know, someone was asking, I think there was a little fear of having different people and so forth come in their home. That was in connection, I believe, with someone in the family that's involved in spiritism. Should they stay away from them or keep them out of the home? I think that they come in with people. I think spirits come into our churches with people that are troubled. But I think we need to be constantly praying not only about our homes, but about our sanctuaries, that the the Lord of the hosts, that our Heavenly Father would limit their abilities in those cases, that any that must come in with someone, piggyback on someone, would be restrained and held back from any work that they would like to do. Wouldn't it be tragic? Oh, you were going to add. Please, go ahead. I think it may be a good point to just warn that we don't want to slip into a superstitious attitude, even as we entertain spiritual warfare. We want people to be absolutely fearless, full of courage because they're claiming their victory in Christ daily and walking in humble obedience and just knowing that God has given them guardian angels to watch over them and protect them and not be fearful and superstitious. Can demons read the thoughts of a person from outside or just when they have entered inside the person? This is something Dr. Dickinson and I disagree on. Dr. Dickinson believes that spirit beings can only really know what you're thinking as they might be inside of your person. Personally, I believe that spirit beings communicate by thought and that not only can they from outside project thoughts or temptations into your mind, but they can receive thought rejection from you without verbalizing it. And these are some points about which some of us just disagree. That's his strong view. And Dr. Neil Anderson says you always have to speak audibly your rejection of wicked spirits. I personally don't think that's true. I've done it many times silently. Pretty hard when you're harassed in a quiet setting, and I'm talking about people I've helped, to all of a sudden say, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, you leave me alone. The ushers would probably come in a hurry for you, but you can say that in your mind and stop it. At one point in the conference it was referenced that people in the Old Testament times also had authority to cast out demons. I was under the impression that Christ's death and resurrection broke the power of Satan over us and gave us the authority over demons. Was the Old Testament people's authority to cast out demons the same as Christians' authority today? Personally, I think there was very little knowledge of how to deal with demons in the Old Testament times. Dr. Dickinson referred to the fact that there was some action on the part of some of the Jewish leaders to try to deal with this issue. My understanding, it was largely ineffective until the coming of Christ. And that's why there was such a tremendous stir when he, with great authority, dealt with the demonic. I could speak quite a bit about that, but we don't want to take time. I believe much of what we experience today is getting us ready for what will be coming. What do you think about the mutant ninja turtles, etc., could be preparing us for? Well, I think that that's true. I hold a view where my prayer is also with Mark's and others that God will grant to us great revival. But I believe that Satan is in an attempt anyway to program people, beginning with children through teenagers, not just with the Ninja Turtles, a lot of cartoons and so forth that are very occultic in their nature, But even the whole music industry, I get a bit nervous and fearful when I see the effects of concerts on young people, where tens of thousands of people can be of one mind and one action, swayed not just by the music, but almost a mind control over them. I see that as shades of what the Antichrist would like to accomplish. How can one distinguish with certainty the difference between the Holy Spirit's gift of prophecy from the enemy's power to impersonate the real thing? Well, of course, I agree with Dr. Dickinson that the Holy Spirit's gift of prophecy was largely limited to the time of the giving of the revelation of Scripture. And that when the need for those signed gifts no longer was there because the revelation was complete. I think a lot that's going on today as so-called gifts of prophecy is in this whole realm of dangerous, mystical, and spiritistic activity. And I know that won't please some people, but I say it with real conviction. I think it's real dangerous. I, in the past, have dealt with some people that have been involved and have renounced some of those things. We've had some spirits with the name of False Holy Spirit and different names that even were names of gifts that people had that were there by the power of the enemy. When the enemy was gone, the gift was gone. So I stand in agreement with Mark and Fred from a point of view of scripture first, but I've also seen that reinforced in some situations. Can demonic transfer occur through wearing clothing that an evil person had? How does transference of evil spirits occur? Well, of course, there's some clothing that's definitely spiritistic. Mormon people wear spiritistic underwear. Some of you know that. And I wouldn't want to wear that. That would be burned. I mean, that is spiritistic, spiritistic clothing. So you wouldn't want to wear something or have anything that is spiritistic has been dedicated for that purpose or has been set apart for that purpose, that would be extremely dangerous. I noticed some people sort of laughing, and maybe we ought to share that they don't buy that at the Banton, or at Boscov's or J.C. Penney's. That's of their own origin, and from my understanding from some friends of mine that lived among the Mormons, their friends were Christians, but lived there many years. For many of them, that's sort of a one-piece type of suit with some amulets sewn into it and so forth, and there may be other things I'm not aware of. I don't think you have to be afraid to go to Penny's and buy underwear or any other kind of clothes and think that, you know, powers of darkness are going to get you. That's something of their own origin. And it's my understanding that some Muslims do that as well. Is that correct? Oh, listen, you'd be amazed at what's going on in all kinds of directions. How many here have eaten archway cookies? Hey, I'm a guzzler of them, huh? I got good news for you. They're kosher. Did you know that? All the flour that goes into Archway Cookies is produced in Hillsdale, Michigan, and a rabbi puts his thing on all the flour, and before, when they changed that mill and turned to kosher, they had to scrub every pipe of every possible fat and oil. So anyway, hey, you didn't know you were kosher, did you? By the way, do you know what kosher means? By the law. And when you go with us to Jerusalem, you can ride a kosher elevator. That's right, right? And what it is, on the Sabbath, you can't push the buttons. It goes up and down a subset, because that would be work. So anyway, we're getting off the subject. Just thought you'd want to know that you're more kosher than you thought. I thought Satan can only enter a person through sin. Can he enter other ways besides ancestral transference? Yes, through transference by other people, through ancestral, through sin, and a number of other ways. Yes, we've talked about the laying on of hands, not just indiscriminate handshaking, but say, for example, you want to be healed or you're suffering emotional distress and you're in a group of people and somebody says, let's all gather around, put our hands on Mary and pray for her healing. And if one of those in that group is a spiritistic healer, it's very likely that demonic transference will take place in that instant. Hey, we have two to go. Isn't this something? I mean, these men deserve a round of applause. They've really done it, haven't they? Oh, you're not going to give them a round of applause? OK. OK. When an audience backfires, they backfire. They didn't hear the answer to the last two questions yet. That's why they're hesitant. That's right. It's like returning thanks after dinner instead of before. In dreams, is a dream of an out-of-the-body experience or something like your spirit is actually someplace a demonic spirit? I dreamed I went and fought Satan. I came against him and used the name of Jesus. Well, dreams are unique. I do feel that every person, as I've said a couple of times, ought to never forget when he goes to sleep at night to commit his whole person and being into the keeping power of the Lord Jesus Christ. and the holy angels, and then also to forbid in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ any wicked, evil powers working in his conscious, subconscious, or unconscious mind, will, emotions, or body. I think that's a responsibility that just honors God in our passive state of sleep. I think then if you do have a dream, you say, Lord, do you have something to teach me through this dream? But when you wake up, but I have had experiences where in dreaming, I have been under assault of darkness and have right in the dream resisted Satan and forced him to flee. And that actually, of course, is encouraging because your faith is working even when you're sleeping. That's right. Also, along with sleep, I think it's, maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, I think it's in Proverbs 6, down around verse 19 through 22, somewhere around there. It speaks to the fact that the principles of the Lord, as we study His Word, will minister to us while we sleep. It's important to have the Word of God your mind because he's able to use it even on the subconscious level while we're at sleep. It says they'll minister to you while you sleep, they'll counsel you when you wake up in the morning. A very precious portion of Scripture there in Proverbs 6, I believe 19 to 21 or 22. Interesting question to end on. How much access to future events does the enemy have? That's a very difficult one to answer. I know if Fred were here, he would probably say they don't have any access. And I don't understand this, but I know that it's very limited. But I also know that my wife, her only experience playing with a Ouija board was when she was about 10 or 11 years of age. And they asked the Ouija board who she was going to marry, and it spelled out M-A-R-K. And they all had a big laugh over that because the only mark they knew was a mining town that just had a couple of big heaps of slack and about four or five houses. And yet my wife had to very strongly renounce her involvement in that spiritistic practice in order to establish her own freedom. And so I don't know how much they have. We don't know too much about the spirit realm. We know they're not omniscient, but they seem to have a limited awareness of the future. And clairvoyant dreams probably indicate the things that they intend to do. By the way, let me share this with you. If you have any tendency toward clairvoyance or premonitions, if you get a premonition, some disaster is going to come. or you're going to be in an accident or something of that nature. That may indicate what the demonic realm wants to do to you. So right at that moment, just take authority over it. Say, I forbid that in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I will only accept in my life what God, my heavenly father, wills me to experience. And you can stop that sort of thing. Because the moment you begin to fear what's going to happen, you actually are giving ground to the enemy. But take authority, rebuke it, renounce it, and affirm you'll accept anything that the Lord Jesus Christ brings your way, but absolutely nothing that Satan intends to hurt you with. Thank you very much. Now, you were sure you wanted to applaud, right? Those questions. Now, here's what we're going to do. I can't believe it. As many times as we have been ahead and behind on our schedule and timing of this conference, I think we're going to make it right on the button at the closing if you do one thing for me. When I have you stand up and stretch, if you want to get coffee, go straight and bring it right back to your table because literally in two to three minutes we'll begin and I'll share the closing thoughts and so that we can be done on time, okay? And so let's just take three minutes at the most. If you want to get some coffee or tea, I see red lights on over there. You might want to get it before it gets so strong that you're awake till tomorrow afternoon.