You had a fruit basket in your room when you got to the hotel. There was a letter of greeting in that fruit basket, and that was penned by none other than Jim Logan, the same man who authored Reclaiming Surrendered Ground. And now, from the same mind who originated the phrase, a banana a day keeps the devil away, I bring you Jim Logan. They gave me probably the most difficult topic to speak on, and I tried to get out of it. But our office, they don't let you out of things very easy. In the gospel of John, well, let's start in Hebrews 11, or Hebrews 12, one and two. Hebrews 12, 1 and 2 I think is a real key. There isn't any notes on this, so you can stop looking. Hebrews 12, 1 and 2 to me is a real key. It says that there are two issues that we have to deal with as Christians and our counselees. That's weights and the sin that so easily entraps. In the process of counseling, in the way I do it, we focus a lot on personal choices and the enemy. But we're told in verse two that we're to look unto who? Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. If we send away counselees that have been with us and they're still focusing on the enemy, we have failed. We need to send them out with a focus on who? The Lord Jesus Christ. We give, or I give this book to every single counselee that comes into my office, a medical doctor who was set free from tremendous demonic stuff. He and his wife buy these, buy the case for me to give out free, and it's How to Worship Jesus Christ by Joe Carroll. It's a wonderful book, and it's a refocuser to get my eyes back where they belong. Isn't that right? I believe that every attack of the enemy is to get my eyes off of Christ, onto myself, into myself, onto my situation, people, circumstances, or whatever. And we've got to help people not only get free, but get what? Refocused. We've got to get them And that's gotta be part of the process, which is wonderful if you're a pastor and you have someone in your church. I don't see anyone basically locally. Everybody I see flies in from other countries or from out, and I only have one week with them. But I realized that very last day, I've got to get them refocused. Now, John 10.10 tells us why the enemy attacks us. It says that Satan has a threefold purpose in his attack. When I had opportunity to do a lot of work with Campus Crusade, speaking at different universities, the kids would look at me and I'm old. And I'm really not as old as I look. It's just been a horrible life and working for Mark Bubeck. It's just age thing. But it's like, what is this old man going to say that I want to hear? I mean, you see these kids sitting back. So I get up there, especially with the crusade kids, and I said, do you know that Satan has a marvelous plan for your life? They all roar. But John 1010 tells me why he attacks. He wants to steal, he wants to kill, and he wants to destroy. There's a lady here named Susan. who brought her daughter to see me. And I believe Nicole was, was she four when you brought her? She was four years old and had already attempted suicide. And we had to teach this little girl to send away the demons that are being sent by a relative into her room. And at five years of age, they gave up, I think, basically appearing to her because she was telling to leave in the name of Jesus. But that's the enemy. I also want to read one other thing and get into my very difficult subject. Those of you who get my prayer letter already know this, but I get privileged to use some material printed by one of my favorite people. My wife and I collect biographies and we have just under or just over a thousand Christian biographies in our home. And most of them are really good. Some of the new ones are kind of just about sports. You know what I'm saying? There is a real change. We're talking about people whose lives changed the course of history. And one of these people that I loved And I read every book written on him, and even books out of print I was able to get at Pacific Lutheran University, was Sadhu Sandar Singh. But I never got his writings from Switzerland, which someone sent me from India. And I want to read this to you. And I think it's so interesting. His observation, when he left India, he went through Europe. And in Holland, he stayed in a watchmaker's house. Can you guess who it was? Who had a daughter who was greatly influenced by Sadhu Sandar Singh, was Kauri Tambum. Now this is what he said about after he traveled and came to America and looked at all of Christianity and American and all of this kind of stuff and European, he said, I began to compare heathen countries and Christian lands. There the people are heathen and they worship idols and man-made things. But I found a worse kind of heathenism in the so-called Christian lands, for there the people worship themselves." Isn't that awesome? And that's part of the battle, isn't it, as we're helping someone to get free, is to deal with those self-issues. Mark's message this morning almost annihilated Not quite, but almost. God really spoke to me, and especially about this issue, because I prayed. I didn't know what I was going to say about this issue until I got Scott Moreau's book. I knew what I was going to say, and when I read his book, this course, it really put together for me in my heart, because I was very uneasy about having this time. I'm not so easy now, but I feel a little easier. And before we move into that just a little bit, I want to share one thing, because we're talking now about methods. Someone said this, and it meant a lot to me, and it still does. God begins to look for a man. A man begins to look for men. The men begin to look for methods, and then moratorium. And then God begins to look for a better man. Beloved, if there's anything that has separated our ministries, has been the issue of methods. Am I right? And I'm gonna cry. I've been a part of it. I want to ask Fred Dickinson's part. What I said on a tape somewhere I know has been probably mistaken. But Fred Dickinson is my mentor. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Fred. I love Fred dearly. I know I've heard of him. Or if I didn't, I should have heard of him. I want to ask this forgiveness. And it's over Memphis. When I was brought a fellow who was a leader in one of the major campus organizations over many, many states. In fact, his state fellows over the universities brought him to see me. He sat. In my office, I didn't know him. He had gone through shock treatments. He'd been through some of the major clinics. I didn't know this fellow. I didn't know any of the young college fellows or the guys with this organization that were there. And we bowed and we prayed. And we wanted to commit this time to the Lord. And as we prayed, he began to cry uncontrollably. Now, maybe you've had that experience. And I sensed there's something wrong here. So I looked up and I asked him, are you crying? I mean, tears are coming and he's sobbing and all of this. And he said, and these guys look at me like, if this counselor can't tell crying, why did we bring him? And he said, I don't think so. And I thought, oh brother, we got a hard one now. So I bowed my head and I said, I don't care what's happening. I'm going to pray. And I begin to pray. And there's a scripture when you're in those situation that says, watch and pray. So I was watching and praying. And as I begin to pray for this Christian leader, he slowly fell off the couch onto the floor and started crawling like a snake. These huge campus fellows tried to lift this fellow off the floor that was maybe 5'6 and 130 pounds. They couldn't get him off the floor. And I said, I'm not going to stop praying. I'm just going to keep praying. So I just kept praying like nothing was happening. These guys couldn't lift him. The forces pushing him down were stronger than these fellows could pull up physically. As he was on the floor, and crawling like a snake. Do you think it'd be inappropriate for me to hand him a prayer and say, would you read this prayer? Do you understand what I'm trying to say? I want to share with you what put this all together for me just last week. And it was actually by Charles Kraft. who was quoted by Scott Mirow in his course. Charles Craft says there are three basic methods in the deliverance ministry. The power encounter, the truth encounter, which all of us were aware of, but the third one made so much sense to me, the commitment encounter. Now, let me define him as Kraft said, but I think we can put them down into our own. I want to end up how I use these. The power encounter. He says this, to release people from satanic captivity and bring them to freedom in Jesus Christ. This is a visible, practical demonstration that Jesus Christ is more powerful than his spirit powers or false gods. Now he's writing this basically to missions, but there's still truth here. The second one is a commitment counter to rescue people from wrong commitments and bring them into relationship to Jesus Christ. The third is the truth encounter, to counter error and bring people to a correct understanding about Jesus Christ. All three. And this is what makes sense, beloved. I think Satan has used a method to divide us. And we ought to put an end to it today. Do you know what? This is what I saw. They need to be seen as part of the same process, not isolated from each other. All three are involved. As I begin to look over my counseling, I do all these readings. The emphasis will be different from the motivation of the counselor. You understand what I'm saying? I mean, if there was a, the ideal method, wouldn't it be maybe an appendix to Revelation? Who is the deliverer? Fred Dickinson, in my early stages after I took his course at Moody, prayed with me over the phone. He prayed two things, and they were strange. The first was, keep the wrong people away from Jim Logan. But I was new at this. I didn't know he was praying. But I figured it must be good if he's praying. He's one of the granddaddies in all this, you know, Fred must know. And the second he said, Jim, remember, you're not the world's deliverer. And that's meant a lot to me. You have to go home at night, guys. And we have to say no. We hate you. But you know, there's a verse that Jesus forgot to say. He really did. Or I think maybe one of the translators lost it or dropped it when they were doing it. He said, the poor you have with you always, he should have said, and people with problems. They're everywhere. And we could be overwhelmed by it. Now, I just want to share how I integrate these three things in my week with an individual. Now, if we pray and we get some outward manifestation, immediately we have to go into what kind of an encounter? A power encounter, right away. You can't let the enemy take someone over. You know, sometimes you start counseling somebody and they're not home. Anybody there? You know, they're just spaced out. In fact, it was so funny. I was dealing with this muscle-bound guy. He was well-defined in his muscles. You guys are into weightlifting. He was defined. The second guy I had was a spotter at Gold's Gym. He was bulky. You know, the football type? So one was the more the kind you take pictures of, and the other guy was just the kind you'd want for a bodyguard. Well, in the morning, I had both guys on Monday because they didn't care, and we did our basic thing that gave him the afternoon free. Well, the second or third day, I'm dealing with this defined guy. Demons take him over. I can't get him back. The guy's sitting there on the couch, and he's just staring into space. And I'm talking to him, and I'm bleeding the blood, and I'm doing everything I know what to do. Got Dickinson's book and looked, and he doesn't have a chapter on staring at space, so I didn't know what to do. So I thought, well, he's not going to hurt anybody. So my next guy comes in, you know, the spotter at Gold Gym. He sits down, looks at him, and he goes into space. So I got two space cadets right there at my office. And what was happening is their demons were talking to each other, having a fight, but I didn't know what was going on. So, you know, you'd be amazed when the power encounter, you're glad that it's there. You know, you may have to use it any time in your counseling. My first purpose and my first day of meeting with someone is a commitment encounter. Are they committed to stand against the enemy involved in their life? And many go home the first day not helped because they can't meet their commitment. We try to be sure that you know, on the phone and I'm booking into August now and we have to turn away so many people. I want to be sure these people are committed and they really want help and all of that. We just have, and teenagers are the worst. I never expected to be a teenage specialist, but I probably counsel a third or more are teenagers brought in from all over the United States and children. And a lot of teenagers are there because their parents want them there, not because they want to be there. And my wife says, Jim, you've got to talk to the teenager, not their parents. Do you really want to come? Do you really want to be here? Do you really want to be helped? And if they don't, the timing is not right. Because I don't want to spend a week convincing a teenager that he needs help when there's guys out there that are waiting months to come that are in serious trouble. And then I'll use the combination of truth and commitment to the reclaiming of surrendered ground. As they make commitments and deal with issues. But I always end with a powering cap. Because that's where we command all the forces of darkness to leave that person's life. I trust it, this little thing that we share, that it's not truth versus power. It's truth, power, and commitment is the deliverance ministry. And the emphasis will be as individual as we are. Someone said this, and I really liked it. He said, opinions are like noses. Everybody has at least one. And I just trust, think about this, pray about this. The last thing you want the enemy to do is to destroy the unity that we have because of a method that's really not in here. You know what I'm saying? Just lay it out in here. Choose The combination of methods that fit you. People that come and are my career partners and sit with me. We have two fellows that have flown in from England that will sit with me next week. They'll leave and they'll do it their way. They should leave and they should do it their way.