guys. Are we ready to go? Or no? No? We are? Yeah? Okay. Any questions? Great. Okay. See you. Really, don't feel like you have to ask one. I mean, it's okay. Could you tell me the name of that book? The book that you referred to that said it was the best on marriage? Yeah, it's Robert Capon, C-A-P-O-N, Bed and Board is the name of it. It's not in print, unfortunately, but it's really available, pretty easily obtainable online. Just search, use books. It's worth, I mean as long as it's not $800 or something, it's worth it. It's really a great book, fun book. I was just wondering if you had any practical application about spending time with them. If you homeschool them and you're with them schooling them all day long, and you didn't get your groceries done, you didn't get your dinner done, and so sometimes they don't really want to be with me either. I'm wondering, is there any practical application? Mrs. Stu said, yeah, you take them out maybe by themselves once in a while or something like that. Sure, yeah. Do you have any suggestions? Yeah, homeschooling is a little bit different because you don't have to sit around trying to figure out how you're going to spend time with your children. But yeah, I think it is important. We always try to take them out individually. Of course, if you have more than three children, you almost have to because they all have things they want to talk about privately. And as you can tell from my phone call, you've got to talk. I'm glad for that. I'm really thankful for that. But you do have to let them know, hey, you know what, it's okay, and I want to talk to you, so let me do that. So, however it's done, usually dad is the one who has the bigger problem. We had a homeschooling family because he's gone all day. He hadn't been and he's tired too when he comes home, but now he hasn't been with the children at all and he needs to sit down and chat and check on everybody. And what we did, of course, we chatted and, you know, tried to do something, but then my time was bedtime and we'd gather everybody together and we would read our book. And I'd have to keep saying, no, this is the last chapter. This is absolutely the last chapter. We're going to sleep after this, because Daddy's about to fall down the stairs. But those things are very helpful, because you always talk about it. I mean, you don't just read. Well, you do, I guess, sometimes. But usually, when you're reading a good book, everybody's got something to say, and you kind of have to everybody down to get them to go to sleep and be quiet. But yeah, there are some things that I'm sure you will think about in your own situation that'll be good. But just be mindful of that, that when you have, many of us have larger families, and it is, it takes a little more effort to get to everybody and make sure everybody's feeling a part of the house. Somebody else may have some good suggestions there. I don't know. I'm kind of at a loss. I don't know what we did. I can't remember a whole lot. Yeah. Yeah, and Dick says the meal time is very important, and the Dutch have been good about that. I mean, that's one of the things the Dutch are okay about, right? Yeah. I got my one thing, I gotta point it out. No, I mean, the Dutch have so many wonderful traditions that sometimes go a little sour on them, like ours do, too. But one of the things that I've noticed in Dutch families is they really do eat together, and usually more than once a day, right, Dick? I mean, you're usually having all three meals, because you're usually doing things where everybody pretty much is close by and can get there. So it's a wonderful thing, but that's really a great time. Yeah. Can you give us a few examples of books that you read to your children when they were at various ages? Yeah, I think they're not unusual. Probably everybody's read them too. We did all the Narnia tales. We did all the Tolkien things and we did things like Moby Dick and Sherlock Holmes and Jekyll and Hyde and The Last of the Mohegans and we did fun things like These, I can't remember, they were magic bicycle books. They were fun. And some of the old Dutch books, the Dutch children's books from Padilla Press that used to, Padilla Press used to be around and reprint Old Abe and some of the books about the dog Scout, Scout books. And we read all these modern and old things. And we read just about anything that I thought would be fun and good. And was pretty successful with the exception of Moby Dick, yeah. I say that because my son, my number two son, loves Herman Melville and I always gig him because Melville, I really believe, Melville wrote that book to show you how boring whaling is. It's kind of like my friend. I've got a guy in our church as a pilot, and he took me this one time. We've gone a number of places together, but he takes me places occasionally. So we'll be flying. The first time I was with him in a plane, he goes, hey, you know what flying's like, don't you? I said, well, I'm not sure. What do you say? He says, oh, yeah. He says, hours of boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror. That's wailing. That's wailing, too. And read Moby Dick. You've got it. I mean, hours of boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror. That's Moby Dick. That's my review of Moby Dick. That's not fair. I know, John, you probably love Moby Dick, do you? You don't? OK. I thought John Barrett has read every book in the world, and so he always had to check everything off of here. Just a quick question, did you do the reading primarily, or did the children share in that? No, I did it. Was it dad reading? Yeah, I did it, because they usually couldn't read very well. We were homeschoolers, you know. They were real slow. They were like me. Oh man, this is not taped up right. I just can't stay out of trouble. That's the problem. No, I usually read in part because I liked it. But I also wanted to be the reader and you know that way you can be all the characters and you can show them how to read dramatically. It's helpful for them to hear good reading, like it's helpful for you to hear the word. The Bible never tells you to read it, it says hear it. And that's interesting, I know Jim Jordan has probably said that a hundred times here. But it's a very good point, interesting point, that hearing it is different than reading. And hearing good books is a different experience than reading a good book. Although reading is a wonderful thing, I don't think it's quite as good as hearing it. Even if you're having to do the reading, I think it's better. At our place, I rigged up the whole house so there's speakers everywhere, and you can go from Alex down to Joey here. Always, always, there's books on or music. Yeah. So it's a loop. And it's always on. And I've never heard them ever complain, oh, turn that off. Sometimes I had to put on bread or CCR or something, because it was always handled. But it went from everything, the whole range, the whole spectrum. And iPods and the technology we have with computers and stuff nowadays, we all have it. You can run those loops constantly, constantly. But it's important, I think, that the dad does that, not that... Mom doesn't say... Because my wife never... My wife, I said, can you turn it off now? She said, no, it's going for another loop. But that the dad actually does that, which my last point then, in reading, I was often, I can't do that. I'm one guy who can't. I'm too tired, I can't. So I put a book on and it reads. It's really... There's no excuse anymore to not listen to a book except if it's Moby Dick or Charles Dickens. Those don't look... I'm sorry, guys. I'm sorry. All right. All right, now. I'm really sorry. You really are. I'm telling you. Those two... No. Anyway. Okay, I'm telling your wife you have to read Great Expectations now. She's going to... No, no. Never. That makes me even more want to say that. Anything else? Okay. Good deal. Thank you.