Okay. Well, thank you for coming tonight and the nice weather to drive in. I was supposed to be climbing down. We are starting a study that will have no end meaning there's not on a six or eight week every time I do that it ends up being longer anyway, and so Just gonna do the see how long it goes just because the we're diving into some pretty deep stuff with this study although trying to not make it seem that way to where just kind of understanding some of these things that are simply called attributes of God that maybe you've heard a lot of or maybe you know them all or maybe you've done a lot of reading. Maybe you've never thought about it before at all. The whole purpose of coming together and talking about the attributes of God is to really see how great God is, which you maybe already understand, but also see one of the things we'll talk about next week, one of the attributes of God, is called divine simplicity, or the unity of God. And so that's, we're gonna start with that one next week as we do kind of an overview today. And then based on that, you'll see how it flows out. So while God is incomprehensible, He's also not at war with himself and that's kind of one of the points we'll go over today But ultimately making you see here in the scriptures. We'll be reading today that this is a this is a study based on The magnitude of god's goodness and glory and mercy and grace and all these things and when we talk about attributes we deal and we delve into all of these things and one of the great things about talking about the attributes of God is most of the scriptures we read are who knows the scripture or is anyone can anyone tell me the verse where it says and God is omnipotent and omniscient. Anyone remember that one? Because it's not there. And so, one of the things we'll be dealing with is that we'll be dealing with mostly scriptures that are exaltations or praise, or from the Psalms, it's a crying out of recognition of sinful individual In light of who they see who they're realizing who this God is this covenant God And then it causes them to cry out these truths about him and so that's what we're studying we're studying the results of a heart of praise and the pronouncement of of God's glory back to him giving him glory back to him and so I It's a fun thing to talk about. I think we'll be looking at a lot of scriptures, and we'll also be delving into some of these things maybe you've said a lot, like omnipotence and omniscience, but maybe you haven't. Some of the others, like the one I mentioned, like divine simplicity, or acety, or some of these other ones. And so I hope we have a good time, and it won't take till 2021 to end. So if not, we'll have a good time. And if anyone shows up next week, I'll know I'm going the right way. So let's pray before we start, and then we'll dive in. Heavenly Father, we thank you for the way that you have condescended to communicate with your people, to show yourself and make yourself known to us. And Lord, that we are called to pursue you in prayer and in praise. and in looking to your word which you've given to us, how you've revealed yourself to us, and through God the Holy Spirit, we are able to understand who you are, not in totality, but in what you've revealed. Lord, let us not speculate on the things that we can't quite comprehend, but let us enjoy chewing on some of that, as well as embracing the mystery of that which we can't. And God, I pray that ultimately this discussion would take place in a manner where people walk away, where we walk away more hopeful, more grateful, more understanding of who we are and ultimately who you are. To you, in your name alone, may the glory go tonight. We pray all this in Christ's name. Amen. OK, so when you think of a title like Attributes of God, what do you think of? Infinite. Infinite, OK. Anyone else? Holy. Holy. All-knowing. All-knowing. Perfect. Perfect. Powerful? Just? Like the very definition of justice, isn't it? Okay, anything else? Anyone ever heard, raise your hand and don't feel bashful if you haven't, of things being described as communicable attributes and incommunicable attributes? If you have, please raise your hand, just so I'm aware of who's heard this class. Okay, great. So communicable attributes. Even though we're not going to start with communicable attributes, we're going to actually start with incommunicable attributes. I want to go with these ones because these are the ones that you hear the most in Christian circles. And so maybe you, I want to give an overview of some of the things we'll be getting to in the future and what they cover. Okay, so omniscience and omnipotence. God's knowledge, wisdom, and power. Like you guys listed those. Multiple areas of scripture deal with this. Guess what you deal with when you're talking about that? You're talking about God's freedom. You're talking about human freedom. I mean, these are big issues throughout history, you're talking about sovereignty, you're talking about what you might call free agent of humanity or of God, you're talking about sovereignty and omnipresence, meaning that his omnipresence is tied to his sovereignty and omnipotence. Then these other ones that you have of communicable attributes are what? You've listed them, goodness, love, Mercy? Holiness? Righteousness? Justice? Two I didn't hear, though. Remember, why are they called, and this is a test, we go over this, but why do you think they're called communicable attributes? We can reflect them apart. What do you mean? We can be merciful, we can be gracious, we can be loving, we can be kind. Okay, yep, you're on the right track Anyone says you guys have hit to all the positive ones So communicable attributes of God what's left? when I So now I'm gonna use that examples what I've learned off the cuff don't do it Don't do it A wrath, and I'm looking for one more. Jealousy. Right? Because we think of jealousy only, so it's communicable, we understand it because we can do it. We're not able to be righteous without God, but we're called to this and we can do it in a fashion after we're redeemed. But then you think of things like, how often can you be defined by jealousy and wrath as that being a good thing? Is there anywhere in the scriptures where it talks about someone being jealous for something and then being commended for it? I was gonna say, there is. It's not a trick question. There is. What is it they're jealous for? They're jealous for his name, right? They're jealous for his glory when they're tearing down the high places. Can you think of any examples where we're celebrating incarnation and the humiliation of Christ, which goes all through his life? Is there any event where Jesus is shown to be jealous? Temple, why? because it was not lawful that there be money exchangers. Jealousy and wrath are communicable attributes that we can't separate from the other ones that we have. These are communicable attributes. These are the things that Excuse me. These are the things that we, you're not dealing with the transcendent otherness, right? That's a good word. Transcendent otherness of God that you're dealing with in the incommunicable attributes. Whereas here, we consider or we think of these communicable because they are predicated of God and creatures, though always analogically. Does that? Does everyone understand what that means? If you don't. Anyone want to take a shot at it? What do I mean by analogically between creator and creature? Fred, you're smirking. No. It's similar to the shadow. Yes. So it's not equivocal, meaning we don't do these acts in the same manner that God does. But as his creatures, All the good ones were called to do, right? And we're all supposed to do this in a certain way, so that's where it's analogical, meaning because he's creator and we're creature. Whereas, and you'll see here, and I know I'm going in reverse, does everyone have that or was that a bumble of confusion? It is. Let me know. Make sense? So the reason it's analogical is that it's the way that it relates is that we can Imitate them or do them, but we don't do them in the same manner like we're not good in the same manner God's good right even with the Holy Spirit. We're not We don't show mercy in the same manner although We do and so even our jealousy and especially things when we get like jealousy and wrath Where those are always seen as a negative those are always generally because they're almost always done in the flesh versus some of the examples I gave earlier, so these things have to do with the communicable attributes. Okay, now let's go to the other ones. Okay. Incommunicable attributes. And so, these are, how to describe this better than what I have written down. So the variations of the L in the Old Testament. Is anyone familiar with that, how it's used in the Old Testament? Can you think of any names for God where you have L? Elohim? El Shaddai? So what are some of the things that are attached? What does that mean? Lord or Mighty One is what L means. And they were in wide circulation before they were ever written in, in the Pentateuch. And you have other things like Adonai, which is like Judge, you have, there are several names which appear in our translation as small capitals, Lord, distinguished from all capitals, Lord, which is Yahweh. So the revelation of God's name is a sign of transcendence. What that means is there's a distance or a vast gulf between in the Old Testament, Yahweh and his servants. There's a vast gulf of difference or measure of difference between humanity and God. And so, that's why transcendence is kind of the good way to use that. Misusing God's name required the death penalty under the old covenant. We forget that. Nevertheless, this name is also a sign of God's, you know, imminence, having been given to his people as a pledge, as his personal presence. So while he is yet far away, he is close by. So when you start getting into the depth of thinking about who God is, these are these incommunical attributes that are not analogical to creatures, because we can't do any of these things that make up who God is. So I have a lot on that that is actually supposed to start next week. So here's, anyone know any of the incommunicable ones? I already gave one. I didn't give it very good. No, simplicity. Infinite spirit, as infinite spirit, God is not made up of different parts. His attributes are identical with his being. Now, Not only is it the reason I want to start with that one next week when we start going over specific attributes, because if you lose simplicity, you're going to see... you can look throughout church history, and people who have never studied or thought about the attributes of God, there's been... I'll throw a hypothetical. Well, really, God's true nature is love. And so love trumps everything else. And so no matter what you come up with any of these other things, God's love is number one. And then that person will go on to define what they think God's love means, and it either means a canceling of wrath, Or it can mean something else completely, and love's not the only one they've done that with. People can do that with, you can do that with God's omnipotence, or God's omniscience, or what kind of things, where then you make, as we talk about freedom of man versus freedom of God, you can make omnipotence and omniscience and sovereignty so primary that humanity and creation becomes nothing at all, but a toy. And then you make God into a very strange being indeed. So simplicity means that whatever we're talking about, when you're talking about God, his goodness, his mercy, his wrath, his jealousy. You can't take one of those out and say, no, that's not God. I don't like that kind of definition of God because I like mercy better than wrath. We don't get that ability. Does that make sense? Because what you do is you take away that which we talked about, I talked about eminence, that he's close by. Well, his eminence, meaning he's so vast beyond our comprehension in totality, that when you start picking things away, you make a God that you prefer, not God as he has revealed himself. And so, divine simplicity, which is often sometimes just called the unity of God. And where do you see that clearest? in thinking about the doctrine or the study of God. In the Trinity, right? Easy to explain and understand. Everyone's got it. Right? It's not easy to explain and understand. It's one of those things that's not written in the scriptures, but it's so evident throughout the testimony of the scriptures. And yet that's a clear example of God's unity or his simplicity. And when we say, because when you say simplicity, it's one of those words that just like apologize. When we say, I apologize, it means I'm really sorry, I was wrong, you were right. But the word itself means to defend rigorously. And so that's when it's used in the New Testament to say, give an answer. It means to defend the faith rigorously, but the word's kind of been watered down. So when we say the word simple, like Ken, you are a simple man. I might wanna fight you for saying that. I'm kidding. But we don't think of simplicity in, what I mean by that is when we call someone simple, we don't think of it in a positive view. That person's really simple. Like if someone's arguing with you about something, they don't get it. Man, you are simple. Well, I mean, the beauty of simplicity, I mean, simplicity can have very good Sure Okay, so simplicity I'll read my definition again as infinite spirit God is not made up of different parts Your answer is anything but simple. No, no. And so his attributes are identical with his being. And so what it means by simplicity is that there isn't anything, even though we see all these attributes and all these things about God, there's none of those things that are separate from who he is as God. And that's what it means by simplicity, is that it looks like a bunch of different parts. And the reason that definition is used is in light of particularly the last 300 years where God's nature has been attacked in terms of, that's where I was using the example of love is his greatest attribute, everything else is subservient to that. But that's not true. And so simplicity is just the theological term that's used to describe the fact that no matter how big and vast God looks, and how some of these things like wrath and mercy look like, they don't belong together. You don't get to say one is greater than the other. They're all God. And so that is still confusing. Maybe someone else has a helper. It is very confusing. It's a hard concept to grasp. But think of it as indivisible. Right, and all of the words that Ken is using to describe God as grace and love and Messiah and all these different things, you get all of them or you get none of them? Sure. And we do a whole week of simplicity next week. That's why, so simplicity is an older term. One of the newer ones that you use is just unity. It's like the unity of God. So if it's more helpful to say unity, I'll just say simplicity and unity in the future, but that's really at the heart of it is the unity of God's person Like I said, we have a whole week just on that one next week maybe two weeks I So when you identify one thing, that's not to say that he's not anything else. It's just, instead of simple, I would probably say clear. The deeper we go in the coming weeks, there'll be a lot more confusing moments because, quite frankly, we don't talk about these things anymore. And by the way, I was going to do something else, but Bonnie asked for this. I'm kidding. I'm happy to do it. So as an example, when we get into simplicity, we're going to be talking about things like, well, now you guys might not show up. Never mind. A lot of these is also happening in heresy, right? Because, you know, for you and any Bible-believing Christian, this simplicity can kind of go both ways, right? But mankind is very creative in the way that he's been attacked through that. through some books here, and so I found a good definition from a guy named Michael Horton. He says, God's simplicity in no way limits the diversity evident in his works, but stipulates that in all of God's activity, he is self-consistent. So in terms of self-consistent, I think is a good definition. In every act, God is the being that he is and he will ever be. And so it's the idea of not making him simple in the fact that the way God works is not mind-boggling and diverse, but it's all self-consistent. By the way, simplicity is the most difficult one of all of the, anything we're going to cover. So maybe one week is probably, I'm low-balling myself on that one. Okay, the next one is aseity, which I'd be willing to bet less people have heard of aseity than they have simplicity. Is that true? How many people have heard of A-S-E-I-T-Y? Although its concept is much simpler. So aseity is self-existence. And so why is that incommunicable? That's what I mean. Yeah, because I didn't make myself into being today. I figured I'd be 45 and bald. Just for fun. So self-existence is another way that this has been used is to say God is without need of anyone or anything to help him. not communicable, right? And so, where do you think that comes in handy? Now, Fred was bringing up something interesting about how so many of these have came into being because of a reaction of false teaching. Another, God needs nothing. He's self-existent. What do you think that does away with? Think of... Okay, what do you mean? No, your first answer was good. Did he ever need it? Did God ever need it? Yeah, or was it the purpose of that is the the sacrifices were showing of Israel's heart towards God And so but you're right on point. He never God doesn't need Sacrifices he doesn't become less powered up if he doesn't have enough Sacrifices, you know his power meter doesn't go down enough sacrifices and yet That's exactly how paganism has worked throughout history. Is that sacrifice and number of worshippers and all of those things were directly attributed to what? The existence and the power of your God. When you conquered another nation, what did you do? You went to their temple. You knock down their statue or whatever it was, and you did what? Set your own. You set it up. What did they do? What did the Philistines do when they took the ark? Put it under who? You remember? The fish guy, merman, Dagon. And what happened to the statue? Well, number one, people were doing all kind of weird stuff in the camp, and then every time Dagon's statue in the morning would be falling over, and it would be falling over. But what was the Ark? It wasn't a statue. It wasn't a figure, or an idol, or an image made. And yet, that's what nations have always done. That's what other polytheistic beliefs, at least, have always had, is that the number of worshippers, the power of your arms, the might of your army, shows whose god is stronger. And yet, God, here, in these incommunicable attributes, he not only is he self-existent, he doesn't need anything. It sets the table of how far apart, right? How far apart we think of fallenness and the effect of sin on the way we think about God. You know, every mind is restless, every heart is restless, every mind becomes an idle factory. The priests in Ezekiel are so far gone that they come from worshiping and offering sacrifice to Yahweh, and then when they make their way back to their own house, they strip off their garments, and they go in and they put on different priestly robes, they go into a closet and bow down to an idol that they've created with their own hands. And so the fallenness of man is always this idea of making something of God, and they're powerless. And you hear God is saying, his his a seat here is self existence. Psalm 115 three, our God is in the heavens. He does all that he pleases. Isaiah 40, the grass withers, many of you know this by heart, the flower fades, but the Word of our God will stand forever. Behold, the nations will drop from a bucket and are counted as the dust on the scales. All the nations are as nothing before him. They are counted by him as less than nothing, an emptiness. To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness compare with him? It's his self-existence. He's too far removed for any comparison of the like. So self-existence. Again, we'll be going through all these. I just wanted to give a brief overview. This will be a big one, even though you won't think it will be, just historically. Immutability. Anyone know what that is? Unchanging. Good. Unchanging. One of the words that was used after the Reformation in English, you got to love this word, non-changeability. It's like trying to make sure they got all the corn. There's no way to escape the idea that there's non-change. When you say unchangeable, but non-changeability, no way. God is, as Aquinas said, pure act, which means that there are no potentialities in God. Complete and perfect in himself from eternity to eternity. Now we'll talk about one of those things, trying to wrap your head around, is an eternal God from eternity, which doesn't end, but in terms of how we think about God, there's never been any point anywhere in the history of God where he's changed. Now, what are the objections? What does it say in the scriptures that happens sometimes? God does what? Changes his mind. Changes his mind, was going to kill Moses because he didn't perform circumcision. Did what? Wife did it and changed his mind. What do you think that means? We just said that God has non-changeability. I almost didn't say that right. Such a good word, though. What I mean by this one will take a long time, as we'll go through a lot of scripture on this, so you go ahead, Dawn. Okay. Anyone else? The details of changing his mind one way or the other does not impact the fact that he is merciful and gracious. Isn't this fun, though? This is why this is a worthy conversation for several weeks, is because we've gone through two incommunicable attributes, right? Union or simplicity, and then acuity or self-existence, and now we're doing immutability or non Changeability? And we're already going, like, hold on. This is tough. So I think what we're going to have to talk about when we get to immutability is something much more simple than that, something like literary devices, meaning telling a story and telling a story about God to people, that God is communicating to people. Now within His perfect, unchanging, self-existent, simplistic union of God, When he's looking at the events of Moses and wanting to kill him for not circumcising his children, is it because God's surprised? I can't believe Moses! And he has a temper tantrum. Or do we have to look at a fuller scope of what it shows about God? Is it trying to communicate something within that story about not God's wrath, but his mercy on on Moses or his mercy on Israel because even the thing what happens with with Noah right when you're reading the story when you're reading the story when we read about Jonah. What's happening? When you're going along and reading it, you're reading it as if each event were new to you, and as if it was happening in real time, right? And then, so Jonah makes this bad decision, God has him, he gets thrown overboard, God swallows him up with something, and then spits him out, and then God tells him, and he goes into Nineveh and is like, God's gonna destroy you, you deserve it. Walks out and they all, even the animals repent. Now, and then what happens in the next part of the story? You're still reading it going, wow, look at, that's crazy, because we're kind of, at that point in the Old Testament, if you're reading it that way, you're kind of not a fan of Assyria either. You're like, not a bad idea if Nineveh got destroyed, God. But then you go along and even the animals repent, and you're like, okay, that's strange. And then you keep reading, And Jonah does what? He gets upset, and he throws a temper tantrum. And then what does God do for him? Gives him some shelter, and then does what? Kills the shelter. And what do you think in the midst of all that? Is God schizophrenic? Or is he showing something amazing that his prophet should always have known? that lives humanity is important to Yahweh and he will show mercy on whom he will show mercy. And he will show wrath on who he will show wrath. And his prophets should know better. And his character, his attributes are shown all throughout the story. But when we read it, if we read it simply as these events that happened, we can confuse ourselves about who God is. And so, Bonnie, in terms of the translation thing, I think that's what we'll see is that, what does it really mean when it says God changes his mind? has nothing to do with his non-changeability. It has everything to do with communicating his mercy to the recipients of that particular story, which happened to be us at this time. But this is a huge one because immutability or non-changeability is going to be one of probably the most attacked once that that we have historically in the church. There's a lot to be said about that. Not to mention those historical fights that bled out really into The modernist movement in the late 19th and early 20th century that's impacted evangelicalism so much has made it to where questioning God's infinite changeableness is considered worse. Does that make sense? Did I just confuse everyone with that? So what I mean is that if you talk to most people who call themselves Christian in the West, or the majority of people in mainline churches, the big churches that have been around for a long time, many who have fallen in the last hundred years doctrinally, you would say something about, well, God says, name a sin. God says that marriage is between one man and one woman. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How do you know they identify that way? That's, I'm using that some tongue-in-cheek, but God changes. In our country, God changes according to whatever the culture says God needs to change for. And that's in the church. And that's been here for a hundred years now. And so changeability is what God is marked by. He's marked by His goodness is seen as His fact that when He sees where people are and what they say is okay, then God's okay with it. He has to be because God It's good, exactly. So this one is one that not only will it come in the middle or towards the end of these incommunicable attributes, it'll probably be the one we spend the most time on because it needs the most ability to defend. When you're talking about God not changing or this aspect of immutability. But the good thing is that I have listed here under that one at least 37 verses. And it'll keep building when we get to it, so let's not spend too much time on that one. We already did. Now another one that you might not have heard of. Impassibility. Anyone heard of that one? It is. It has just as much under it as down. Impassibility means immunity to suffering. Immunity. Immunity, yeah. And it asks a kind of piggyback question to self-existence. Is God affected by us? Here's a good way to look at it while I will do it in the order that we'll do it. To a large extent, each of these attributes, these incommunicable ones, if you take one away, you're surrendering the other ones. They all depend on one another in terms of you're going to defend them. Once you say, if your view of simplicity is CET and immutability, once you deny God's independence from the world, his self-existence. It's difficult to avoid just creating God in your own image. Kind of what I talked about earlier. If God is dependent on the world and it follows that, God can become overwhelmed and overcome by the world's opposition to him. Anyone ever heard of open theism? It's what I'm describing. Does everyone know what open theism is? Okay, open theism. Open theists believe of God's infinite resourcefulness cannot eliminate the possibility that God's saving purposes will finally be thwarted on a grand scale. Even as they are And so people won't share in the glory of the new creation now That's a wordy thing to say that what they mean by that is that open theists believe that that God really is What's a good way? It's not really Eastern mysticism in any way, but it's it's more of What's a Not pantheism. What's the one word like the force? Panentheism? Or is that pantheism? Panentheism is like soul and body. Yeah, so pantheism, the one where everything's God, this chair's God, the energy between us is God, Yoda when he's giving Luke a speech in Empire about the force, the rock in here and everything. That's pantheism. So it's almost like pantheism is that God is in this with us, and he's tied to how things go in the world. And if the world gets worse, it means God's plan isn't working because everyone's rejecting it. So you said that his plan of salvation would be thwarted. Thwarted. Right. Open theists call themselves Christians and are recognized as such. And they're found all throughout mainstream Christianity. That's a rejection of the sovereignty of God. It's a rejection of a whole lot of things. And that's my point, is that when we talk through these things, Because of your background or the churches you've gone to in your life, you've maybe never done a study of the attributes of God, but the ones we're saying, you're going to be like, well, yeah, of course. Of course. Why wouldn't you? But when you think of doctrinal positions, you hold a minority in, like, say, Calvinism or something like that. It's nothing compared to some of these, like God's unchangeability. You're really in the minority of Christian belief in the Western world when it comes to that these days. So these things have to be dealt with. And like Fred said, impassibility, when you take away these other things, you can't even, of course God can be affected by us. If he's not, if he's changing, if he is in need, he's not self-existent, you can make God whoever you want him to be. And obviously, what's the big one on suffering? Okay, good. Yeah, what happens... What happens with incarnation? What happens with humiliation? What happens with the cross? Yeah, well we'll deal with all that when we come to impassibility and then Certain parts well, thank you so and then finally eternity and omnipresence Now, omnipotence and omniscience are in communicable, but omnipresence is not. Just make sure you get your omnis right. Well, no. Omniscience and omnipotence are communicable. all-powerful and all-present? No, we can, we can, we can, we're, they're anogolous, is that the right way to say it? Sure. Anogolous? So, could you, could you describe what the word's origin and of being born is? I think that's going to help. I'll have to make up a new dictionary now. Yeah, yeah, so the reason that you can grasp mercy and jealousy and wrath is because there's something that you understand. Does that make sense? And you can understand that God is everywhere. and that he is all-powerful, easier than you can understand his self-existence or his simplicity. And one of the reasons that I would say that is because those are the things that are the least apparent or the least talked about. Does that make sense? Yet they're part of his nature. So I thought communicable in that we could possess those. Right. I did say that, didn't I? Right. It does, yeah. Well, in terms of omnipotence, we do have power. We have unlimited power. As an analog to his omnipotence. In terms of omniscience, we can know things. We can't know everything. So there's kind of an analog there. But when you get to omnipresence, a better word would be what's called immensity. And immensity means that God does not have any kind of physical dimensions at all. And so he's not like a gas that fills a room or anything like that. He has no dimensions at all. And then eternity means that he is not in common. He does not have a sense All at once. And so we can't be eternal, and we can't be immense, but we can know things, and we can have power. But I can also be present. And I'm going to tell you why I'm grappling with this. It's because this is taught differently in one of the studies that I've been in. Oh, really? How so? Those three are always together. Are they called? They're not communicable. So it would be good for y'all to know what's being taught. So like for me, I can't even come close to understanding something being here. and also being there and there and there and there, but at the same time, I can't even get that. There's no way I can, because it doesn't communicate to me on the level that I've experienced in the past. So there's no way that I have a basis to understand that. I've never seen it physically on the Earth. I've never seen anything that is here. And then at the same, well, I guess cell phones. You know what I mean? So that's what I think I'm understanding as communicable. So understandable would be another way to say communicable. It's un-understandable and understandable. For me, that's un-understandable. Un-understandable. So that's me. But the categorization of the communicable and communicable, that's kind of a secondary thing. People move on. Yeah, you can read. Whoever's teaching your particular study, Bonnie, you'll find just as many who are treating it, putting them in the category of Gorey's item, in terms of putting omniscience in omnipresence, I'm sorry, omniscience and omnipotence in communicable where others will put them in non-communicable. Okay, and I just have always, and if this is all good, I always believe those are all the jobs that have to be sustained. Yeah, one of the things to think of is that. Right, so it kind of, it's almost, it kind of depends on how you look at it. How do you say it? Who's the English person here? Is it heuristic? Heuristic device. All of these words, all of these things are artificial constructs. We're trying to define God by using these words, omnipresent. And so there is nowhere in scripture that you could point to, these ones have to go there and those ones have to go there. More traditionally reformed theologians would is where I'm getting my categories from, like the older guys. Whereas I know guys like James Hamilton and other guys, modern writers, especially of biblical theology, would lean towards putting them all three together. So it's not a dogmatic way. It's not. It's kind of a choice of where you want to put them and how you want to communicate them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the thing I like I'm giving you trying to give you definitions just to be helpful and really Understanding more about God so that you can better communicate and better pick up on bad teaching and that's kind of what I want to focus on is that when we get to some of these things you'll see I using Calvinism as a key. Fifty years ago, you were much more of a minority if you were Calvinistic than you are today because of the popularity of especially people like MacArthur and Piper, where it started moving out of these smaller enclaves of strictly Presbyterian churches to more reformed Baptist and evangelical free and non denominational churches where it's much more widespread, but you're still in a vast minority of Christian belief, but that's nothing compared to holding to things like even impassibility, which should be a shoe in. And it certainly seems that way scripturally. So this today was just to kind of, that's all of them by the way, that we'll be covering and it'll obviously take at least two years to get through this. But most of what we're going to do, what I'm going to try to do at least, I think will be really helpful, is to I might ask Fred and maybe Eric to help edit it to put together some type of what I have written down into like a PDF form that you can work through. Because there's, like I said, one of them in passability, there's 37 scriptures I want to go over, but I can't so it'll be good. to you to look at them as you would and then you Yeah, so, so I'll be I'll try to get I'll send that out to get some people to edit it and then that way you can turn into a PDF and just send it to the church and whoever wants to come on Wednesday nights. We'll have that to go by. If that if you think that's helpful. One of the things when you talk about attributes of God, that's, that's interesting is that you generally see it or talk about it. And this is it's the bridge between canon, like so say you open up a systematic theology, or you just are going through, how do I get these things, the first thing you deal with is canon and inspiration and infallibility of scripture. And then you go from that really to attributes of God. And then you go from that to biblical theology, meaning, now that I've established who God is, we're going to talk about his story of salvation from Genesis to Revelation. And so these are, these are right in the middle, holding, holding all these truths we hold together, because we're dealing with the very question, the most difficult question is trying to define who, who God is. And it was confusing for many of you today. it'll be confusing and I'll try to do better in that. But also my hope is that this is helpful. Not just I'm never coming back. That's great. Taking a nap or eating some candy. We have candy. Go ahead and steal some candy back there. Any questions at all outside of the aspirin for the brain I'll tell you, it'll make your brain hurt big time, and it'll be confusing, but it's so worth the effort, because all the other doctrines get glued together with this. It seems like every other doctrine is kind of a logical extension of what we learn.