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All right, so tonight we'll be
discussing the Trinity for our time in the Westminster Confession
of Faith. That's the subject of paragraph three of chapter
two of our confession. We spent several weeks on paragraph
one, which describes in great detail the attributes of God.
We did, I believe, six weeks just on chapter two, paragraph
one. and I decided because of that and some other reasons not
to actually teach through paragraph two here. I'm going to read it
in just a minute, but the second paragraph here is really just
a restatement application of what we're reading in paragraph
one, and I think we covered a lot of it already, and then we'll
cover more of what gets fleshed out in paragraph two and some
later chapters of the Confession, specifically in chapter three.
So because of that, I'm just gonna read for us chapter two,
paragraph two, and we're still in the chapter that is on God
and the Holy Trinity. And then after that, we'll go
right into chapter, I'm sorry, paragraph three, where we'll
have our main lesson for tonight. So this is chapter two, paragraph
two of the Confession of Faith. God hath all life, glory, goodness,
blessedness in and of himself, and is alone in and unto himself
all sufficient, not standing in need of any creatures which
he hath made, nor deriving any glory from them, but only manifesting
his own glory in, by, unto, and upon them. He is the alone fountain
of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom are all things,
and hath most sovereign dominion over them, to do by them, for
them, or upon them whatsoever he pleases. In his sight, all
things are open and manifest. His knowledge is infinite, infallible,
and independent upon the creature. So as nothing is to him contingent
or uncertain, he is most holy in all his counsels, in all his
works, and in all his commands. To him is due from angels and
men and every other creature whatsoever worship, service,
or obedience he is pleased to require of them. So we're not
gonna teach on it, but if there's something that really jumped
out and you have a question, I want you to feel free to ask. And
if I'm not sure, cause I didn't study up intensely on all those
attributes, we can answer it next week. Is there anything
that jumped out that you really wanna know or have a burning
question about before we move on? It is, right. We could just,
it's like the Bible. Sometimes I wonder why do we
preach? We could just stand up and read the Bible the whole
time. And there's something to that, but God is ordained, of
course, teaching and preaching too. All right, well, we'll move
on. And then our focus tonight is gonna be on paragraph three.
It's a good bit shorter, but it's a transition into some new
waters for us in the confession. In the unity of the Godhead,
there be three persons of one substance, power, and eternity. God the Father, God the Son,
and God the Holy Ghost. The Father is of none, neither
begotten nor proceeding. The Son is eternally begotten
of the Father. The Holy Ghost, eternally proceeding
from the Father and the Son. All right. So the Westminster Divines here
in chapter two, paragraph three are talking about the Trinity. Of course, this is what we've
been building to in studying chapter two to this great doctrine
that God is a triune God and now we're going to get into it.
And this will be a, I think a multi-part discussion. I do not think we'll
get through talking about the Trinity and this paragraph three
tonight. I anticipate we'll have at least
two lessons on this. But the divines point out here,
first off, that there's a unity within God. Even though this
section is about the Trinity, they emphasize at first that
there is a unity within God. God is one being. That central confession of faith
that our Israelite forefathers used under the Old Covenant,
in the Old Testament, Deuteronomy 6.4, called the Shema. Here,
O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. The Lord is one. Or in the New Testament, we read
this repeated over and over. 1 Timothy 2, the apostle Paul
tells us in no uncertain terms, there is one God. Of course,
he says that many times. As we see in Ephesians 4, even
more clearly emphasized by Paul, there is one body. and one Spirit,
even as you were called in one hope of your calling, one Lord,
one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above
all and through all and in you all." So unity, unity, unity.
Oneness. There's One. So much about Christian
theology is dependent upon this fact that God is one. He is one
being. The Apostle James says that even
the demons know this. This is Christianity 101. Even
the demons know that God is one. Now, they don't worship him.
They believe, but they shudder. They do not worship. They know
he's one. But the Bible is also very clear
The God is not only one, he is also three. The proof texts that
the men who wrote this, the Westminster Divine, cite first, in their
first footnote, they cite 1 John 5, 7, Matthew 3, 16, and 17. Matthew 28, 19, which is part
of the Great Commission, and 2 Corinthians 13, 14. I'll read
them one by one as we go through here, and then there are more
proof texts they give also, but we'll have to push discussion
of those into next week. So our first proof text for this
chapter, this is where the divine say, we are getting our doctrine
directly from the Bible, and this is where we would say, go
here first as a reference point. 1 John 5, 7. For there are three
that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy
Ghost. And these three are one. Well,
we can close the book right there. We're done. It's clear, abundantly
clear. Our God is a triune God. But
this verse has a very interesting history surrounding it. And if
anyone has a modern Bible translation, you open it up. Odds are this
verse is not there. It is not in the first epistle
of John, most likely. Or if it is, it's relegated down
to the footnote. That is thanks in large part
to a modern reliance on what is known as the critical text. So we've talked about this a
little bit in the past in a couple of Sunday sermons, and I'm not
gonna go into much detail here, but if you're looking it up,
it's 1 John 5, 7. But the difference in what's called critical text
and received text is whether our main way of discerning what
the original text of scripture is should be by using, should
we discern what that original text of scripture is by using
what the church has always used. the faith that was handed down
from our fathers to their sons to their sons and on down to
us, what the church has always held as these are the 66 books
of the Bible, this is the text of the church, should that be
our main way of discerning what that original text of scripture
was written thousands of years ago, or is our main way of discerning
what the original text of scripture is done by seeking to reconstruct
that original text through what are deemed to be the most reliable
manuscripts that are available to scholars and archaeologists
today. So there are two ways of approaching this. We don't
have the original writings of the prophets and the apostles
anymore. None of them exist. We don't have the Ten Commandments
that were in the Ark of the Covenant. That's gone. We don't have any
of the Old Testament scriptures in their original Hebrew in the
actual paper that the prophets wrote on. They're gone. We don't
have any of the first Greek manuscripts that Paul or James or John or
Luke or whomever wrote on. They're all gone. And I think
this is in God's wonderful providence because we would in fact idolize
them. I guarantee you if we had Ephesians
from the Apostle Paul's hand, and it was ironclad proof that
this was what Paul put his hand on and wrote. Well, his scribe,
because he usually used a scribe, but what that original first
copy was, we would idolize it. Our hearts are idol factories,
and so I think it's in God's providence that we don't have
these texts. There's a good thing, there's a comforting thing that
God has shown us some mercy, but then we do have to answer
the question, well, how do we know what those texts said? How do we know
what those texts said? And so you see these two streams
of thought and how we get back to that. Critical text, let's
reconstruct and trust the scholars and the archeologists and people
like that, the linguists, most of whom are unbelievers, liberals
and work for secular universities. Or do we trust what has been
handed down throughout the centuries by the church itself? And it's
not that this is a big oversimplification I'm giving. It's not that people
who affirm the priority of that critical text, that reconstructed
text, it's not that they ignore the church's role or that they
ignore translation history. And it's not that people who
affirm the priority of the received text, and you see in that the
difference, what we've received from our fathers, what's been
handed down and we've received. It's not that we totally ignore
manuscript evidence and we just blindly trust what the people
before us said. But the difference here between
received text and critical text, whether 1 John 5-7 should be
there or not, is an understanding of who was entrusted with the
Word of God. Who did God entrust His Word
to? Did He entrust it to university archaeologists, or did He entrust
it to faithful pastors and elders and deacons and ordinary Christian
men and women? I think that's the question we
have to really come down on. And also, do we believe God's
promises about the preservation of his word, that his word would
remain pure throughout the ages and that we would always have
a record of his revelation to us? I think that that's the answer.
I'm much more inclined to affirm that we should trust the church
as the keeper of God's word. And we should have this verse,
1 John 5, 7 in our modern Bible translations. The seeming trouble
with this verse in particular though, is that even throughout
church history, there has been some degree of dispute about
this verse more than some others. It's perhaps the most disputed
verse in the entire Bible as to whether it should be here.
We can't just blame all the confusion on modernism and liberalism.
But also, many throughout history, even going back possibly as early
as Jerome, have asserted that this debate on whether 1 John
5-7 should exist in scripture was not an accident, but is actually
by design. There are many that think that
during the Arian controversy, which we'll talk about, I think
next week, that this verse 1 John 5-7 was removed from Bibles or
intentionally left out of future copies because the Arians wanted
to weaken the Orthodox case for the Trinity. Now, we don't know
if that's true. That's speculation. But many
revered theologians have believed that. Calvin, for instance, believed
this verse to be original, but Luther left it out of his translation
of the New Testament into German. So even if it were not original,
though, 1 John 5, 7, even if it were not original, the truth
of the Trinity thankfully does not rest on this one verse alone.
It just happens to be the clearest. the divine's next site after
1 John 5, 7, they cite Matthew 3, 16 and 17. This is the baptism
of Christ. And Jesus, when he was baptized,
went up straight way out of the water and lo, the heavens were
opened unto him. And he saw the spirit of God
descending like a dove and lighting upon him. And lo, a voice from
heaven saying, this is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased. This is such a powerful argument
that the Father, Son, and Spirit are all God, and yet are distinct
from one another, that I've actually heard in my personal conversations
in evangelism, I have heard Mormons use this verse to attempt to
argue against the unity of God's being and in favor of a form
of polytheism or tritheism, saying that they're, oh yes, of course,
Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit's God, God's God, of course. And
of course they're all there, but that's because there are
three gods. This, of course, is nonsense
and goes directly against so much of Scripture. But Mormons
think that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three distinct
beings, that there's more than one God, and that God himself
Mormon official doctrine, and if you press a Mormon on it and
they know their stuff, they will admit this. God himself was even
once a man who was then exalted to this position of God, and
you too. you can become a God one day and even have your own
world. The more you learn about these
Trinitarian heresies, at first they might seem mild and maybe
even semantic, you know, kind of an argument over terms and
maybe we're just getting too focused on the words, but they
just lead down a rabbit trail of utter absurdity and heresy. Specifically with Mormonism here,
you can see it just gets crazier the more and more you dig, the
deeper you dig, the wilder it gets. But far from proving the
distinction of being here, that God is three beings, Jesus' baptism
proves that there is a unity of purpose within the Trinity. It's true, if we only had this
verse and no other part of the Bible, we couldn't prove the
unity of God's being, that he's three persons and one being.
We need more, we need more of scripture. But it's absurd to
argue for disunity here. What's clear in Jesus' baptism
is that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three distinct
persons. and they exist and act and reveal
themselves simultaneously. All at one time, the Father,
the Son, and the Spirit are acting together in unity of purpose
and revealing themselves. They're working in perfect harmony
and they have perfect togetherness here. Christ's baptism is so
clear that God is one and God is three. I know that's a lot
of words. This is a high and lofty doctrine. I know I'm saying a lot at once,
but it's very important. With regard to Mormonism, which
I mentioned a moment ago, it is a major and pervasive heresy
that is still growing in America. And Mormons, when you get to
talking to them, if they've ever come to your house or you've
visited with them, I mean, they're an evangelistic people. And they
are people that have a lot of children. And so it is a growing
sect, a growing cult. And they largely know their Bible.
I don't know if you've ever talked to a Mormon, but if you're not
prepared for the conversation, a lot of times they can bring
up what kind of feels in the moment, like a gotcha thing.
You know, they know their Bible really well, just like those
demons who know their Bible and how Satan tried to trick Jesus
by quoting the Bible to him. The Mormons will quote the Bible.
And in many ways, of course, they seem like the nicest people
on the planet. And they seem like model citizens and good
neighbors and who wouldn't want to live in a neighborhood full
of Mormons? But they do promote heresy here. They're not alone,
I don't wanna just pick on Mormons, it's just the first kind of problem
I wanted to bring up, but they're not alone in holding to a Trinitarian
heresy, a heresy that, a false belief that undermines the doctrine
of God. In fact, the majority of the
major doctrinal problems and heresies that the early church
dealt with And in fact, a lot of those same heresies are the
ones that still keep popping up to this day. A majority of
them relate to a misunderstanding of the doctrine of the Trinity.
And this is particularly problematic for a few reasons. First, if
you don't understand who God is, then how can you properly
worship him? You would have a zeal not according
to knowledge. You'd worship you know not what. In order to please
God, step one is to believe that he is. But we can't just believe
in a vague type of divine force or higher power, like sometimes
is one of advancement. Of course, I believe in a higher
power. Of course, I believe in a God. We have to believe in
God as he has revealed himself to us. God is the first and greatest
being and the fountain of all being in life, and that is why
our study of him comes before in our confessions. It comes
before our study of the church. It comes before our study of
man, before our study of angels, before our study of salvation,
of any other doctrine. In almost every single confession
of faith, it doesn't matter what theological tradition, the doctrine
of God comes first before all the other doctrines. Now, of
course, the Westminster Confession here speaks first about what
we believe about scripture, because that's God's revelation to man.
We can't properly speak of God without doing so in reference
to his word. But the immediate next subject
the Westminster divines turn to after scripture is the doctrine
of God. And second, so the first point
of why Trinitarian confusion is such a major problem, even
if we don't realize it first, well, how does it affect my day-to-day
life if I believe God's three or one or six or nine? But the
first point about why it's such a big deal is if you misunderstand
who God is, then you can't worship him properly. Similarly, the
second point is if you misunderstand who or what God is, then all
of the rest of your theology is founded on sinking sand. The wise man built his house
upon the rock and the rock was Christ. And Christ wasn't just
a Christ of his imagination. or a false Christ of whatever
Judaizing cult might have said He was. It was the Christ of
the Word, the Christ as He is revealed in Scripture. If you
miss the boat on a proper understanding of God, then how can you have
confidence in properly understanding anything? God created all things. So if we want to properly understand
his world, if we wanna properly understand ourselves and why
in the world we're here, why do we exist? If we wanna properly
understand anything, we have to first properly understand
God and that must be done through his word. Now, I don't mean that
if someone does not have an orthodox view of the Trinity, then they
can't know anything. That's, of course, we know that's
not the case. We all probably know people of
totally different religions that are smarter than we are. I certainly
do. I know a lot of people that are smarter than I am that don't
have faith in Christ at all. Some of the most brilliant, in
fact, mathematicians and physicists have been Muslims and atheists.
Now, I say some of them, because a good deal of them have been
Christians also. But those who do not know God
can still know a lot of correct things, but they're operating
on borrowed capital. Because those people who do not
know God are still made in God's image, and they still can see
him, however dimly or darkly through his world and through
their reason. There is such a thing as common grace and natural revelation. And we cannot say that that has
no value. But without a proper understanding of God and his
word, You are immediately standing on a slippery, slippery slope
that can easily send you into a lot of problems, not the least
of which would be how do we worship God and how, in fact, can we
be saved? but it goes into every area of
life if you don't start with a correct understanding of God.
Another pervasive Trinitarian heresy that has cropped up and
has garnered a decent following over the past several decades,
especially is that of modalism. Modalism, in contrast to Mormonism,
rightly affirms that God is one. But modalism overemphasizes his
oneness such that the threeness of God really becomes nothing
more than a way of God expressing himself. Modalists have historically
said that in the Old Testament, God expressed himself as Father.
That was the mode then. In the New Testament, God expressed
himself as Son, as Jesus Christ. And then today, God expresses
himself as Holy Spirit. This type of thinking is especially
prevalent in some Pentecostal circles. Of course, not all of
them. I don't want to throw Pentecostals under the bus as if they're all
unorthodox, but in some Pentecostal circles. Popular teachers such
as T.D. Jakes affirm this and the music
group that even you'll see sung from in some evangelical churches,
Phillips, Craig, and Dean. They've done a number of popular
contemporary Christian songs. They are modalists. They affirm
this Trinitarian heresy. But right here in Christ's baptism,
as well as in several other places, we see modalism clearly refuted. Remember, in his baptism, God
is simultaneously, actively present as three distinct persons, all
at once. They're all there expressing
themselves. God the Father is speaking with the voice from
heaven. God, the Holy Spirit is descending as a dove. God,
the Son, Jesus Christ is standing in the water fulfilling all righteousness
as the scripture says. The only ways to interpret God's
revelation of himself in this passage is either to conclude
that God is a Trinity or that there are three gods. There can't
be a one person God in this baptism here. And we know that there
is only one God. Now some of the modern modalists,
namely the oneness Pentecostals, have gotten a little more precise
and complex than some of their ancient forebears. Some of them
would even affirm that even though God is only one person, which
he's not, that he can manifest himself as father, son, and spirit
simultaneously. But this is just mental gymnastics.
If God exists in heaven as father, Think about this, if God existed
2000 years ago in heaven as father and his son on the cross, and
he is one single undistinguished person, then how is it that God
the father is not the person who is suffering death? We have
a problem here. How is it that God the Son, if
there's only one undistinguished person, how is it that God the
Son is not the one pouring out wrath on God the Spirit on the
cross? Who is our sacrificial lamb if
there's only one person in the Godhead? We have to answer these
questions. How can Jesus say that he is
sending another advocate or another helper as he promises to do in
John 14, 16, if there is no other, if he's only sending himself?
And further, how can God have true love and eternal fellowship
within the Trinity if there is no Trinity? What does it mean
for God to be love if there's only one person in the relationship? Even if that one person manifests
himself in different ways, how could that be the pinnacle of
what love is? Self-love. Love always flows outward. And God has, from everlasting,
existed in a loving relationship. He's existed in a divine community,
in a sweet and perfect society between Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit. Love is, in the Bible, other-centered. Greater love has no man than
this, greater love. Greater love has no man than
this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. or in the
most famous verse of all scripture, God so loved the world that he
gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him should
not perish but have everlasting life. How can the father beget
the son if they're the same person? How can the father give the son
if they are the same person? The doctrine, of the Trinity,
I will admit, and that we all have to admit, is above logic.
The doctrine of the Trinity is above reason, but the doctrine
of modalism is against logic and reason. There's a difference
there. There's a difference in something that we understand
to be illogical and something that we understand that is higher
than our brains can understand. We do have to accept the doctrine
of the Trinity by faith, but it's not an illogical, irrational,
or blind faith. And if you're wondering modalism,
why is it called modalism? I don't think I really explained
this well. They're using the word mode to really mean manifestation
or expression of God. Those are the three modes of
God, father, son, spirit, but not three distinct persons. And
then one final note on modalism. If these are mere manifestations
or modes and not persons, then modalism would also fly in the
face of some of the very important attributes that we've discussed
in our previous six weeks in chapter two here. For example,
if modalism is true, then God cannot be immutable. God cannot
be an unchangeable God if he shifts from one form to another. There is no shadow of turning
with thee as we sing. But if as a North Carolina pastor,
Stephen Furtick has said, God changes forms. And this is the
most influential pastor regarding number of congregants in North
Carolina. Stephen Furtick says, God changes
forms. If he does that, then that would
mean that God can change. and God cannot change. And it
is a great comfort to us that God cannot change. Or if the
Father and the Son and the Spirit are different parts of God, as
some people have posited, and this is perhaps the weakest of
all the positions here, then God would not be simple, as we've
discussed. Remember, God is not made up
of different parts. All of God is all of God. All of God is
holy. All of God is perfect. But if
the three persons of the Godhead are different parts, then what
we've got is God being one third Father, one third Spirit, one
third Son. And that cannot be true. Confusion just abounds
and abounds when we start to reject the Trinity. The next
proof text that I want us to look at, the divine sight. And if you have a question, please
just raise your hand or shout out. I know this is drinking
from a fire hydrant here. The next proof text that the
divine sight is Matthew chapter 28 and verse 19. This is the
great commission. We should all be familiar with
this. I'm gonna read us the verse before and the verse after also
just to give the full context of the Great Commission here.
Matthew chapter 28. beginning in verse 18, and Jesus came and
spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven
and in earth. Go ye therefore and teach all
nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the
Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever
I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always,
even to the end of the world. Amen. Not only are all three
persons of the Trinity mentioned here, but you see both their
unity and their distinctness clearly here in the Great Commission.
First of all, Jesus tells us that all power has been given
to him. All power has been given to Jesus. Now we have to ask,
well, if all power has been given to him, who gave him that power?
Did He Himself give Himself that power? No, it was God the Father.
And it is implied that because of this power, we will have success
in our mission of discipling the nations. because he is always
with us. But who is always with us? It's
God, the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity. Further,
we're told, and this is very interesting, and the grammar
is clear, we're told to baptize in the name, singular, of the
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Why would we not be told to baptize
in the names of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit? We have
a singular and then a plural. This sounds a lot like one and
three. We are to baptize in the one
name of the three persons of the Trinity because these three
are one as 1 John 5, 7 tells us. One God, one Lord, one body
of Christ, therefore one baptism. And then the final proof text
that the divines mentioned in their first footnote here in
chapter two, paragraph three is 2 Corinthians 13 14 and i'm
just going to end with this as a benediction and then we'll
do questions and discussions paul says the grace of the lord
jesus christ and the love of god and the communion of the
holy ghost be with you all amen and of course that's not unique
to second corinthians he uses this type of language at the
beginning and the end of a lot of his letters, emphasizing the
threeness and the oneness of the Trinity. So we're going to
pause right there for tonight, and we'll plan on picking up
next Wednesday, discussing more of the specifics of the Confession
here, more of the proof texts, and perhaps more of the Trinitarian
problems we run into today. But what questions do you have
about the Trinity? Don't be afraid to ask, even
if it's something that you don't even think your question makes
sense. Because like we said, this is all above reason. Our
simple minds struggle. Yes, Hope. Right. Sure. Yeah. So what I was meaning there.
is if God is a God of parts, then he would be 1 3rd Father,
1 3rd Son, 1 3rd Spirit. And that would mean that God
the Father is not fully God. God the Father is fully and completely
God. That doesn't mean he's the only
person of the Godhead, but he's not 1 3rd of God, he's not less
divine. And they don't add up to a whole
God as if you have to piece them together like a puzzle. They
are each co-equal, co-eternal, each fully God, and Jesus Christ
also, then you have another thing. He is both fully God and fully
man. Jesus isn't 50% God, 50% man. Then he wouldn't have been
a sufficient sacrifice. He would not have been able to
atone for us if he was only half a man. He wouldn't have been
able to assuage God's wrath or even receive worship if he was
only half God. And so in the same way, God the
Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit are not 33% of God. It's something the scripture
doesn't really refute because it's a question never posed,
but there are some people, I think mainly actually just through
lack of teaching or through being imprecise, there are some people
though that say that God the Father, God the Son and God the
Holy Spirit are parts of God. And actually there was a big
issue when one of the candidates for president of the SVC a couple
years ago, someone realized that on the website for the church
that he was senior pastor of, that's exactly what it said on
their doctrinal statement, that God was, you know, the Father
was a part of God, the Spirit was a part of God. I've seen
it in discussions online, and I think a lot of it is imprecision,
but it's imprecision because they're letting their mind influence
what the Trinity means. If we do that, we are bound to
mess it up every time because it is above reason. It's above
logic. The Trinity is something we can't
think up in our head what we think it means and then try to
express it. We just have to go to the text. What does the Trinity
mean? It means 1 John 5-7. Well, how? I'll give you all
these texts and I'll give you what I can distill from Scripture,
but we can't explain how the Trinity exists, for instance.
It's just totally above our minds. So you almost always run into
error when you try to start explaining how the Trinity. Yes, absolutely,
absolutely. 1 John 5, 7 is, for there are three that bear
record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost,
and these three are one. I think that's the clear statement,
but there are other Trinitarian statements throughout scripture.
And there's things we can deduce. I mean, I didn't bring up, you
know, John 1, in the beginning was the word and the word was
with God and the word was God. Now the spirit isn't in that
very verse, but the word was with God and the word was God.
You've got wisdom in Proverbs. I mean, they're all over the
place. You see one and many, one and many, all about God. Yes, Benjamin. Anybody was gonna say something? One being in three persons, that's
right. And it's something we accept and we trust and we receive
because we know God's word is true. Exactly. Y'all could teach many
people that are confused on that point. Did you have a burning
question, it looks like, maybe, John? No, you were doing this
number. You never know. Well, you read
me, because I did want to ask something. So I've heard you
say it's above reason. I've heard you say it's above
our minds, our understanding, our ability. And is there a distinction
to be made there between those two statements? Is it possible
that it is beyond our understanding but that it's not above, and
it's above our use of reason, but it's not above God's use
of reason. Yes, that would be a much better
way of saying it. Yeah, above our reason. Yeah,
see, that's what I'm saying. Imprecision can get you in trouble,
because that would be a better way of phrasing it. Above our
reason. Yes. I'm only dialed into that
because in question one of Summa Theologica, Thomas Aquinas says
that it is beyond reason. Anyway. Or that those topics
are getting dealt with. Right. The idea that something
is beyond our reason. Anyway. Yeah, and I think Thomas
Watson, who is certainly not like Aquinas in a lot of ways,
I think he says basically the same thing, so I might have been
unconsciously pulling the phrase from him, but now that you say
it, I would prefer, until I study it further at least, to say,
above our reason. But certainly, the one thing I really want to
emphasize is it's not against reason. One God, one person is
against reason because the scriptures so clearly show that God is three
persons. But yes, one God, three persons,
I think it'd be fair to say above our reason is a safe place to
land. Thank you for that. Any other questions or comments
or confusions or anything?
WCF: Ch. 2 (Pt. 7 - The Trinity)
Series Westminster Conf. of Faith
In this lesson we begin our discussion of what it means for God to be Triune.
| Sermon ID | 12624155014212 |
| Duration | 35:49 |
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| Category | Midweek Service |
| Language | English |
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