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All right, so we're gonna finish
Job up today. 42nd chapter, Job, I think is just amazing because
it's such a simple ending to such a complex story. Here's
Job, he realizes, golly gee, I didn't know everything I was
supposed to know and I'm sorry. I mean, I just, I don't get it. I didn't get it. But man, look,
the whole point is, is I wanted to serve you. And the greatest
part of Job to me is founded around one word. And that word
is grace. This book to me is really amazing
because it's the first book of the Bible, obviously. And in
the first book of the Bible, man thought that God was judging. But in fact, he was showing his
grace. And that's what he always does. God is a God of grace. And when Job realized that, it says, and
he repented in dust and ashes. He was like, man. Yet his buddies,
you know, Eliphaz and Bildad and Zophar, by the way, you know,
Elihu is not even mentioned. Did you notice that? It's kind
of interesting. They get chastised by God. Now, I was reading the book and
I wrote this down. I said, what did they do to so
upset God? I mean, really. It's really interesting
when you read this section that God's not happy with these dudes,
so much so that he says, I want you to take seven bulls and seven
rams, and I want you to go sacrifice them. And then I want you to ask Job to pray for you, and
I'll accept Job's prayer, which is a whole nother kind of interesting
comment. I thought that was fascinating,
because we don't understand prayer either. I certainly don't think
I understand prayer. I really don't get it. that God
would say to Job, I want you to pray for these guys, because
sort of my supposition was, well, God, you sort of know what's
going on here. Why do you need Job to pray for
these? You know what I'm saying? Was
it demonstrating grace? I think it was demonstrating
grace. That's the point. I'm sorry. Forgiveness, grace, yeah,
I mean those two things go hand-in-hand, by the way. Forgiveness and grace
always go hand-in-hand. So I wrote down a couple of things
here. I said, they make God out to be a judge who punishes bad
people and rewards good people, and there is no place for grace.
That's the first thing. The second thing is they view
God as judging people solely on their deeds without any regard
for forgiveness or repentance. and or repentance, I probably
should have wrote it. The truth is God sends rain to
both the just and the unjust, right? I mean, that's Matthew
chapter five, I think. So, okay, that's kind of interesting. But here's one of the things
that God gave me last night and I wrote it down. God is first
a provider of blessing, not an implementer of judgment. God is first a provider of blessing,
not an implementer of justice, or judgment rather. And that
to me is a big issue, because certainly the Bible talks about
God's judgment upon you, but it's the last thing he talks
about. It's always the last thing. It's like when I got nothing
else I can do, we go to judgment. Before that, though, he's always
standing there with his hands wide open. His hands are open
wide, like, come on, man, come on, listen to me. And what do
we do? We go, nah, I don't think so. I mean, this is kind of like,
I want you to think about this. This is kind of like, and this
is gonna sound like a weird example, but it's just something that
just happened to me this week, which I thought was bizarre,
or happened to somebody I know, but I was involved. Let's assume
for the sake of argument, you are terminally ill. You are dying. And somebody comes up to you
and says, I will give you a million dollar life insurance policy.
You can have it. It's on your life. You die. When you die, the million dollars
is going to go to your family. Or you can take $100,000 cash
right now. You have a choice. Take $100,000
cash right now, or when you pass away, I'm gonna give your family
a million dollars. Which would you choose? It's
an interesting question if you think about it. Well, who are
you thinking of? Exactly, that's the point. Who
are you thinking of? Who are you thinking of? Okay,
who are you thinking of? At the end of the day, okay?
You get out of terminal disease, you know you are not gonna make
it much longer, okay? But in your mind, you're like,
I'm going to have to pay for that life insurance, and so forth. But they're giving it to you,
man. There's no medical exam. There's no nothing. You die,
Chuck. Abby gets a million bucks. Who's
going to pay the taxes on you? I'm telling you, this is what
goes on. This is what goes on. What is
the point of that? The point is that God is giving
us a picture of what's important. Do you care about now or do you
care about what's coming later? What do you care about? What
is your perspective? Do you have an eternal perspective
or do you have a very now perspective? Do you have any kind of future
perspective at all? And that's kind of what's going
on here. So I think it's interesting this
final thing because obviously the whole thing about him getting
twice as much as he originally had was one verse. It was one
verse. It wasn't like that big a deal.
I mean, I know, it's a big deal. Everybody who talks about Job,
that's like the first thing they bring up. But you know, when
he got at the end, God gave him twice as much, you know, and
gave him back his kids and did all, and I get all that. I get
all that and I don't want you to take this the wrong way. I
don't mean it. But it was not the most important thing in the
chapter. It was almost like, oh, and by the way, God gave
him twice as much as he originally had. That's really kind of what's
going on here, and I think that's an interesting point that we
shouldn't just gloss over. That the twice as much stuff
was not that big a deal. that when it was all set, I thought
this was also interesting, too. They have this big feast. Once
this is all done, they have this big feast, and everybody brings
a whole bunch of stuff. They bring all sorts of food,
and they bring gold, and they bring rings, and they bring all
this kind of stuff to Joe. And my question is, where were
all those dudes when he was sitting there starving to death? Like, why didn't we have a big
party originally? What changed? What really changed? And my point of saying all this
is just this. This ending is fascinating to
me. It's not necessarily what it appears. It's God saying,
Job, I love you. That's what it's saying. It's
not saying, Job, you are perfect. He doesn't say he's In other
words, he did that at the beginning when he was talking to Satan.
The other thing that's interesting about the ending is Satan is
not in the ending. That's important. Satan is not
in the ending. Job's in the ending. God's in
the ending. Even the three dudes that were
working for Satan are in the ending. But Satan is not in the ending.
And my take on that is really a big deal. And what I wrote
in my notes here is, notice at the end, Satan is not in the
picture. God and Job are left. Satan has been dismissed. Satan
has said, sayonara, I am not in the game anymore. Satan's
gone. And that to me is a big, big
deal. Big deal. The other thing that's
cool about this too, there's another, there's so many little
cool things. This is what I like about this
section, it just has cool things. As anybody who knows me and knows
me well knows, I am a major proponent of the idea that we are no longer,
or should never have ever been for that matter, people that
are in this, kind of strata of there's these people and then
there's these people and some people are high and some people
are low and some people are up and some people are down and
so forth. One of the greatest forms of
repression that I've ever seen is on women. Women over the history
of the world have been repressed So much so that often they don't
even get names in the historical books. It's like the wife of
this guy, or whatever, or the daughter of this guy. As though
the guy was important and the girl was ridiculously unimportant.
But the Bible... 2.0 is almost always better than
1.0, right? The second shot at that. Yeah,
exactly. But there's a verse that God
gave me years and years and years ago that has just... been seared
in my consciousness. And I think it's probably, if
somebody said, what's the most important verse to you in the
Bible? This would have to be at the top of that list. And
that is that in Christ, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, bond
nor free, male, female. There is no class. There is nobody
better than anyone else. Yeah, this is a big deal with
me. This is a big deal with me. It
really is. Because this is the basis of
all wars, if you think about it. The basis of all wars is
I'm better than you. Right? We have a war going on
in Gaza right now. It's all based upon the fact
that, you know, we got the Jewish people up there and they're saying,
I'm better than the Palestinians. The Palestinians say, no, no,
we're better than the Jews. You know, it's like, you know, okay,
well, who's better? No, if you guys would work on the basis
that we're all peers and we can work this out together as peers,
I could actually have a conversation. Oh, there we go. Think about
every major war that's ever occurred in your lifetime, or not in your
lifetime, but certainly within, you know, your, perspective,
they're all based upon someone's better than the Aryan race. That's
the whole point of World War II, if you think about it. We're better than everybody else,
and we're going to basically supersede our thoughts upon everybody
else's thoughts, and we're going to bury everybody. And of course,
that's not the way it happened, and not the way it turned out,
but World War I was the same way. I mean, the Spanish-American
War, think about that war. That was a classic of, we're
better than you guys, and we're going to make you pay for it,
because we're better than you, and so forth. The whole conquest
of the West in the United States was all about, we're better than
the Native people. We're not going to give them
anything. We're going to take it all away. They don't believe in God. Therefore, boom, we're out of
here." How do you know that they don't believe? You never even
asked them. It's fascinating to me. Fascinating. In the dark corner. They're starting
to mumble. We're repressed. About women.
We were pointing out specifically women, right? And we've read
John Elkridge's book, Wild at Heart. Yeah. And I believe what
he says about women, because they are representative of the
beauty of God, like men are. men are typically considered
beautiful. Women are, right? And the whole image of God being
male and female, to have the completeness of God, the woman
who is the beauty, Satan hates women because of that. Because
he at one time was this beautiful, maybe one of the most beautiful
creatures that God had created before his fall, right? And he,
you know, he's the. The Prince of light and but it
was his pride that led to his downfall, right? And pride is
always about meeting me first, right? And he's just said that
is why the women have from the very beginning. That's why he
went after the woman in the very beginning. OK, and ever since
he has hated women. And it's true, interesting. It's only a relatively recent
historical thing that women have any say so mm-hmm I mean in the
course of history up until the last hundred or
so years, women were dismissed, and they had no standing, and
they had no voice, they had no nothing. And it's interesting,
too. And no inheritance. Right. And
no inheritance, by the way. That's a big deal. No inheritance. And yet Christ, walking the earth,
so favored women, and they so followed Him, and ministered
to Him, took care of Him, if you will, His earthly needs,
right? First person he told he was the
Messiah was a woman. Right. And the first person that
went and saw him resurrected was a woman. That's right. That's
a big deal. I think it's also a big deal
that in Revelation chapter 12, when he's talking about Satan
and his, well, I'll read it to you. I call it the abuse of Israel. A great sign appeared in heaven,
a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet,
and her head a crown of 12 stars. And she was with child, and she
cried out, giving birth in pain, in labor, giving birth in pain.
And another sign appeared in heaven, and behold, a great dragon,
having seven heads and 10 horns, and on his head were seven diadems,
and his tail swept away the third of the seven." So the point is,
is that We see this battle between Satan and Israel, and it's represented
as a battle between Satan and a woman. And that to me is fascinating. Look, this idea that his three
daughters... Now, I want you to keep this
in perspective, guys. This is 4,000 years ago. that this book was written 4,000
years ago. Somewhere in that range. Maybe
3,500. Maybe 4,500. I don't know. Once you got a
comma in the number, it's a big number. That's what I'm saying. So this happened a long time
ago, long before there was any kind of women's rights or women
having any kind of ability to do anything, truth be known.
They didn't have any authority, whatever, nothing. Even in Abraham. I want you to think about this.
Abraham didn't treat women very well. Didn't. Read the book. It's pretty incredible.
The way in which he picked Isaac's wife is pretty Pretty belligerent if you think
about it. I mean, I'm not sure that if I were that woman, forget
about the father now, but if I were that woman, you mean I
don't get a vote? You're going to have a problem
if somebody walks up to your daughter and puts a ring in her nose?
Yeah, and says, OK, we're taking her. I'm just saying. I mean, come on. I mean, I'm
trying not to be rude, you know, but at the same time, I mean,
that's really what happened. I mean, read the book. It's pretty
amazing what, you know, what Abraham did, you know, our, you
know, forefather, you know, whatever. Okay. Okay. There we go. At the, at the, at the root of this whole
entire thing, Job realizes something. that he never realized before,
and that was his daughters were important. You go back to chapter
one, it doesn't even talk about the daughters. All he talks about
is the sons. He never praised, just think
about this, he never sacrifices for his daughters. Just think
about that. He only sacrificed for his seven sons because he
said, well, if those boys screw up, man, we better have something
going for them, right? He never did that for his daughters. He
never did that for his daughters. I went back and looked because
I wasn't 100% sure of that. Well, and that's a good point.
Okay. And that's well stated. Okay. But look, and then when
he named his daughters, Now, in the book, he talks about the
fact that he named his daughters such that one was, in the English
version, would be Dove, the other was Spice, and the other was
Abundance, I believe is what it was. And those are pretty
good definitions, by the way. Again, I went and looked them
up. Yeah, that's a good interpretation of those names. But I have a
kind of a different impression as to what those mean to me.
He said Dove meant peace. I say Dove means the Spirit of
God. All of a sudden, he saw in his daughter the Spirit of
God. When I think of Spice, I think of the Messiah, because it was
with Spices that they went when he was born, and it was Spices
when he died, you know, to remember this one and so forth. Spices,
to me, represent the Messiah. And then the last name is actually
the Horn of Abundance. Actually, when I went beyond
that, I said, well, you know, that to me is a picture of God
the Father, because he provides us with blessings more than any
other thing. He is the Horn of Abundance.
He is the Horn of Blessing. And to me, this is a picture
of God, or of Job, recognizing the tripartite God that we all
now serve. I mean, that was just a really,
really cool thing that we were able, that I was able to see
anyway. Yeah. I'm sorry. No. How do you feel
when he revealed that to you? Because that is not in no book. That's not something you just
read. That's something you searched out and he revealed. Because
that thing is actually saying the Messiah is in Job. Yeah. but it's a prophecy that the
Messiah is in Job. Well, to me, it's just a beautiful
picture that he revealed it through the daughters. Yes. I mean, that
to me is what's... That is three. Yeah, the best
part is he revealed it through the daughters. He revealed it
through his daughters. And that's what Joshua did when
he revealed God through his sons. It will remind him of what God
did. doing this whole situation. He named Manissa and Ephraim
because he said, this is what God did. And for what you just
said, I don't know. Y'all don't look like y'all get
what this man said, because this thing is blowing my mind. And
what you said, because that's not in the book. Oh, no. Most
people just glance over the daughters. But it's so significant when
you said Spice, Dove, and Horn. All of that represent the Messiah.
Yeah, and to me, that's really what the book is all about. I
don't mean just the book of Job, I mean the entire book. I believe everything about the
scripture is there to reveal Jesus. So when you're looking
at the scripture, early in my life, very early. What he talks
about is the Redeemer, too. Yeah, yeah. I mean, everything
in the book I remember Ray Cohen saying to me once, he said, Donald,
he said, look, look, very simple. Every time you read scripture,
the first thing you look for is Jesus. Just look for Jesus. Amen. Just look for Jesus because
he's going to be there. He's going to be in the, he's
going to be in the fine print. He's going to be in the bold
print. He's going to be, he's going to be there. You just gotta
look for him. And it's amazing to me how that
has resonated in my life now for 50 years. It's just amazing
how that has continued, because that message was given to me
nearly 50 years ago. It's just an incredible thought.
I have some final thoughts on Job, and I just thought I'd share
them, and then we'd open it up for some discussion. These are
my final thoughts. The first thought was that Job
learned about the true God even though he didn't have a Bible. He knew about the true God, even
though he didn't have a Bible. So somewhere along the line,
Moses came along and wrote it, but this happened way before
Moses ever got involved. So Noah must have told somebody,
because he was the only one left after the flood. So Noah must
have told somebody. Well, who did he tell? He must
have told his sons. Well, his sons must have then told somebody,
and then they all told somebody, who told somebody, who told somebody,
who told somebody. And I think to myself, boy, if
you really want to get something screwed up, just keep telling
somebody, telling somebody, telling somebody, telling somebody, okay?
But somehow through the oral traditions, they knew that God
was real and so forth. And his perspective of God, albeit
somewhat flawed, was a lot better than... I mean, he knew about
the Redeemer, for example. I mean, he understood that that
was going to happen. Second thought, Job shows us
we rarely understand the trials and the tests that we experience. When you're going through something,
I'm sorry, for the most part, you'll never understand why you're
going through it. Just ask anybody going through something. Their
first question is inevitably, dang, why is this happening? Right? I mean, why? Third thing
I realized was we want God to remove our pain, not to teach
us lessons through our pain. Hear that? We want God to remove
our pain. We want God to remove our pain,
not necessarily just to teach us lessons through that pain. And that to me is a big deal. because we never really know
the whole story. That's the reason. We really don't. We just don't
want the pain anymore. This is why we sell more pain
medication than any other single medication. We want to get rid
of the pain. We want to numb it somehow. We
want to dull it. We want to do something. Look, when my back
hurts, the first thing I do is reach for Advil. I mean, that's
just a fact. I mean, I'm not proud of that
fact, but that's just where it is. The thing I do is, I'm gonna
pop a couple of Advil here. Maybe that'll help dull it a
little bit. The fourth thing I picked up was, being good does
not earn your relationship with God. It only comes by faith. And what people determine as
a, I'm gonna add this, what people determine as being a New Testament
concept has never really been a New Testament concept at all.
It's always been the way God does things. It comes by faith,
true faith. When we trust God, that He is
going to supply our needs and do what's necessary. The fifth
thing I picked up was there is no one, there is no one who deserves
God's blessing. No one. If anybody was gonna
deserve God's blessing, it would be someone who was always out
there trying to do what was right, that's Job. But no one deserves
God's blessing. We are all sinners in need of
grace, which is what this book is all about. Suffering often accomplishes
God's purposes. And I was reminded of a verse
that I've memorized for years. He is despised and rejected of
men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid as it
were our faces from him. He was despised and we esteemed
him not. Isaiah 53. Suffering often accomplishes
God's purposes. That's hard. That's a hard lesson. Would you agree? That's a hard
lesson. Seventh thing that I picked up was God never changes, nor
changes his mind. And there's a difference, by
the way. God doesn't change, but he also doesn't change his
mind. We change, and we also change our mind all the time.
But God never changes, nor does He change His mind. And as a
result, He is never unfair. He is never unfair. Most of all,
there is not a separate God of terror and a separate God of
grace. He is the same. He is there. And that, to me, is big. You know, this idea that God
is somehow the God of love to one person, but the God of terror
to another person is absurd. He is the God of every single
person. He never changes. And then finally,
the last thing I wrote was, our present sufferings don't
compare to the glory that is yet to come. we have a temporary perspective,
God always has an eternal perspective. We always pay attention to what's
going on right now, because that's where we're at. And God is always
paying attention to where we're going, because he has an eternal
perspective. That, to me, is powerful. So
those are some of the final thoughts that I had. I thought I'd just
open it up, hear what you all had to say and think or whatever.
That was kind of some of the things that I got from this last
chapter. One of the things that still
doesn't sit right with me in the story is I feel like Joe
got into it with those guys rather than rise above it. They're entitled
to what they're saying. I mean, maybe they're ill-advised. But if I did that, if I went
back and forth and back and forth, and no, no, that's not it, and
then I feel, that feels uncomfortable to me. Like there's something
about that. I don't know what that is saying
to me, but there's just something about what he did. Three rounds
back and forth. I mean, enough already. Anybody
else feel like? Well, but isn't, I think, you
know, I thought it was interesting that God said to Job, I want
you to pray for these guys. And I want you, I want you three
guys to make a sacrifice to me. Because what God is saying there
is the relationship with these brothers, I want to reestablish
that. I want it to be a relationship
of grace. And by the same token, I don't
want it to be broken. I don't want it to be broken.
Exactly. And that the relationship with God is restored by making
the sacrifice. And so God's about restoring,
not breaking down. And, and that's, I mean, it had
to be hard for Job to pray for those guys too. You know? And, and so God is bringing restoration
in all dimensions. And I thought that was the beauty
of of the way that it ended. Joe didn't hold any resentments
against him. He didn't really hesitate to
break for them when he got to that point. Oh, after he had
repented? I agree with that 100%. He was
being obedient. But Kent's point is very well
taken. It's a really good point, and
it's a very important point. But I want you to think about
something. I want you to think about this from a different perspective.
The word righteous in Hebrew is the word tzitkaner. Tzitkaner. The word honest in Hebrew is
tzit. You can't have righteousness
without honesty. They're completely intermingled. That's what righteousness is.
It's about being honest. And so What Job did is he expressed
honestly what was going on in his brain, what he was honestly
feeling, and so on. Was it right? As it turns out,
it wasn't. But it was honest. And you see,
we mix up righteousness with being right when it's really
not about being right, it's about being true. It's about being
honest. So we could definitely find all
sorts of things to criticize Job about in that whole foray. Look, there's enough there to
go around, right? Which just proves the point that we made
here that no one is deserving of God's blessing, even Job.
Because we're all sinners. We all are. But what I love about
this book is it allows us to see the honesty of these people. And it allows us to see what
they really actually believed. Even the three criticizers, or
whatever you want, critics, higher critics as I have started to
call them now, and they actually miss the point, including Joe
Biden. And that's what he realizes when God comes back to him. He
missed the point. He missed the point. The point
is that it's not about God judging you, Joe. It's about the fact
that there are things that are going to occur either by the
flesh or by the world that are going to beat you down. They're going to do certain things,
but at the end of the day, you've got to have an eternal perspective.
That's really the message of this whole entire thing. So,
did he do things? Did he say things? Did he, did
he? Of course he did. Yes, no question about it. That,
to me, shows us the honesty of the word of God. It really does.
Which I love, by the way. Truly, truly do. But I don't
stand in judgment over any of them. Because I find, like, they're,
but by the grace of God, go on. Let's listen to Randy and then
definitely you, Crafty. Yeah, see, I look at the three
friends. First of all, they had a just
a Their theology was in error. Yeah, okay number one, but number
two, especially they did what we often like to do that they
judged And I think that's what God had a real problem with because
they don't know it's hard Okay, they jumped to their theological
errant conclusion Must be sin in your life, Job. Yes, because
of the bad that took place in his life, the hardship and suffering
pain. And I think that's why at the
end, and Job wasn't, you know, Job was also off in his theology. Of course he was. And God showed
him that. His core issue was more prideful,
actually, because it was pointed out to him, you know, who are
you, right? But I think at the end, that's
why God had the three go to Job. And if he would pray for them,
he would accept that. Okay, because they judge that
man, and we do the same thing. And I think the message is, don't
judge your brother. Okay, when you don't know. Okay,
that's one thing if Joe was living with a woman, He's not his wife,
and it's very blatant and open. Yes, they can go and approach
him in love and point this out, right? We are called to face
obvious issues. But that's not what they did.
They just drew a conclusion. Pain, suffering, you did something
wrong. You screwed up. Your life, there's some hidden,
some secret you're not revealing, being honest about. And I think
God had a real problem with that. Mr. Crafty, what do you think?
Can you imagine how Job felt when God revealed to him that
he was wrong all along? How he felt at that moment. I
remember how I felt when he showed me the errors of my ways and
opened my eyes. All I wanted to do was repent and just chase
after him. And if right at that moment,
even today, he says, well, I need you to go forgive those guys
now, after you've just been forgiven, after you just got shown your
dirty stuff, and God's like, whatever, I love you, you know? It's just another picture of,
you know, doing it to others. And, you know, there's somewhere
it says, you'll be judged. Be careful how you judge because
you're going to be judged the same way you judge others. Yeah, exactly And
I think it's that picture of He showed Job and now he's right
away. He's like, okay job now you go
do that Yeah, and so much, that's such
an interesting point, because we don't know the whole story,
we want to stop things from happening oftentimes, and God doesn't want
it to be stopped. I'll give you a really good example. Jesus is talking to his disciples,
John chapters 14, 15, 16, or 15, 14, 15, 16, when they're
at the Passover dinner, And he says, hey, I gotta go
away. No, God, no, no, Lord, we don't
want you to leave. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And he goes, well, dudes, you
don't understand. If I don't go away, you don't
get the comforter. And if you don't get the comforter,
you don't do nothing. Think about that. And so they're
sitting there and they're going, well, we don't want you to go.
And he goes, oh, I got to go. Because you don't see the whole
picture. You don't see the whole thing. You don't get the million dollar
life insurance policy. Yeah, you don't get the million dollar
life insurance policy. I mean, you know, what I'm trying
to express is we don't know what we don't know. That's the problem.
And that, of course, is always the issue. We just don't know
what we don't know. And so I love the idea that Job
is dealing with those issues. Those are some of the key kind
of things that Job's talking about in this conclusion. Who else? For me, I think the
message of grace and the theology of good works is what's really
standing out in Job late. We're doing a study in Romans
on Tuesdays, and there's just so much in that that is drawn
from Job. Chapter 11, especially. Yeah,
right? And just being able to have maybe both of those happening
at the same time in my mind, a little bit of it overlaps,
but it's... the thought process, you know,
we say that the theology of the Friends was wrong, or the theology
of Job was wrong, and the question is, what was wrong about the
theology, right? Like, here they have this oral
tradition of what God was and what they should believe, but
what we see in the end of this is that the theology that was
wrong was not about how great God was or that they needed to
do good works or any of that, but that there was a difference
between them. Because there is no difference.
Because no matter how many good deeds they do, their tally of
good deeds that they did never gets them to a point of equality
with God. But the mindset starting out,
the theology issue that is wrong is all for them. had in their
heads that their good deeds were enough that they were as good
as God, right? And that they had made that scoreboard
a tie game, so they were on equal footing with God, where Job was
able to have a conversation with God and say, I can justify myself,
right? Until God said, can you justify
yourself? Right? And then he had to look
at it. Where were you when? Exactly. All your good deeds,
they mean nothing. I mean, you started the game
at zero, but I started the game at a billion. Just because I
did 10 and you did 10 at the same time, a billion, 10, and
10 are not the same. Well, let's take it even further.
God starts at infinite. Exactly. Okay. So you have this
mindset, and it's just so true in the world, right? Just even
now, and even in ourselves, where we think, boy, I've done everything
right. I, I don't deserve this. What
do you mean? You don't deserve anything, right?
Like you're, you're so far down in the sty that, that compared
to God, that anything that you get is a blessing and anything
that he takes is a blessing. So it is, everything is a blessing. And, and so when it, when it,
you get rid of that mindset of works and it becomes about grace,
like, For me, that's the part that stands out in that you have
the oldest book in the Bible that we have of written evidence
of this faith, and it's talking about grace from that perspective. And that's what stands out for
me. I can never score enough points
that anything I could ever do, no matter how good, no matter
if I never did anything bad, no matter how much good I did,
I'm not good enough. Right? I never did anything bad.
I don't need to have a story of how I betrayed my wife. I
don't need to have a story of how I beat my children. I need
to have a story. I was born. I started not good
enough. And if I spent my whole life
just doing good, I'm still not good enough. Yeah. It's, it's fascinating that right
in the heart of Romans chapter 11, Right in the heart. Well, maybe not necessarily the
heart, because I think it's the sixth verse. It basically tells
us, but if it is by grace, then it is no longer on the basis
of works. Otherwise, grace is no longer
grace. I mean, that's a pretty amazing statement, if you think
about it. Otherwise, it's no longer grace. Now, he's not talking
about New Testament principles here. He's talking about Israel.
That's who he's talking about. And he's talking about the fact
that God is gonna do what he's gonna do, not because it works, because
there is no work that they have done that would ever qualify
them. That's what he says right at the beginning. There's no
work they can do. There's no work they did. There's no work
that anyone has ever done. It's gonna qualify you. Nothing
qualifies you. That's the message of Joe. But if it is by grace, it is
no longer on the basis of works. Otherwise, grace is no longer
grace. You gotta wrap your arms around
that concept, guys. That's a big time concept that
is the whole, in my opinion, message joke. There's something
with the friends, right? That's part of that grace message,
right? I don't know that I have that
fully fleshed out in my head, but the fact that they had to
go and sacrifice the bulls and then ask Job to pray for them,
it's the issuance of grace, but that action wasn't about Job
and it wasn't about God, it was about their hearts. Precisely.
They had to repent and they hadn't yet. Right. And did you notice
there is no evidence they ever did repent? For them to ask for
the prayer, I think that forces them to repent. But it doesn't
actually say they repented. It clearly says Job repented.
I'm not trying to be nitpicky. Please don't take it that way. I don't really have an opinion
one way or the other, if you want to know the truth. I've read Job several times,
and I think every time I read it, I'm more amazed at the just
the depth of knowledge that you get, that you see in other books
of the Bible, that here it's a joke. But you wouldn't get
it if you're not really nitpicking what's there and trying to understand
what's that language? What's the arc of this section? What's the allegory that could
be implied? What's the context of this conversation? What might be happening? I love
that in this study was the direction you know, the thought of it being
like a play, and you're trying to think of who's on stage, and
you get to that mindset of, well, okay, Satan disappears. After
he causes the boils and whatnot, we go, you know, Satan again.
So what is that, like chapter six he's done? And then you got,
you know, the remaining 30 or 28 chapters that you don't see
him. And is he there the whole time? Is he listening in, in the back
room with God, just observing casually, making comments? You
know, oh, oh, it's starting to feel like he's turning. He's
starting to turn. And then he walks away? Or did
he get done? establishing that pain, suffering, not getting
his immediate result, and he's bam, out of here. And then it
was really just, Joe, without the tempter, without somebody
else. I mean, these are all the idiosyncrasies
that I think make it such a valuable book. Yeah, Andrew. My favorite
novel is The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky, in which he says,
if God is dead, everything is permissible. And Dostoevsky's
Panamazov, as well as Crime and Punishment, deal with the issues
of the origin of evil, the search for freedom, morality issues,
the search for faith. And it's interesting how Job
has influenced so many writers, movie makers, Archibald MacLeish,
Terence Malick, the Coen brothers. Remember those sarcastic movies
by the Coen brothers? Yes, yes. A lot of influence
of this book on people's artwork or literature or movies or whatever
it is. It's all in there, dealing with
the fundamental issues of morality and the origin of evil. Yeah,
look, we could go for hours. We're not going to. We're going
to try and draw this thing to a conclusion. Can I say one thing? Yeah. I mean, Job is each of
us. It's our journey. Gosh, that's so well said. Thank
you And sometimes we screw up just like Joe sometimes we're
not you know, right sometimes we are completely wrong sometimes
we make sometimes we make the most absurd and decisions based upon bad information,
right? And the reason that's important,
because when I read this, I mean, I put myself in, you know, in
his character. I would have tapped out when
they took my kids. Yeah. You know, this gives you hope.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, to endure, you
know, what's coming. And I've always appreciated,
because I had never thought of this before I read this particular
commentary by Stedman. I had never thought about the
fact that he did give him twice as many kids, because his kids,
even though they were gone, were not. I hadn't thought about that before. So he gave him... double of everything,
including his kids. And his age. Oh, and his age.
He's 70 years old, so he lived, what, 140 more years. He lived
140 more years, so he lived a couple hundred years. Look, this book
is so interesting. I don't know how many times I've
been through the book. I've actually taught it three times, or twice,
excuse me. This is the second time I've
taught it. And I don't even remember what I taught the last time.
That sounds crazy, but I really don't. I don't remember teaching
it at this level. Because you have a whole different
perspective. I have a whole different perspective. I'm way older. You know what
I mean? A difference a year makes. A
difference a year makes. Yeah, exactly. Way older. Look, oh, that's right. We went through it on, I forgot
about that. There was three times. OK, so never mind. But I've read
the book. a bunch of times besides that.
And the truth of the matter is that what I liked about this
particular way we went through it is we did it in bunches, which
was very powerful for me, that we did this in bunches, like
we did seven or eight chapters at once. to kind of get a perspective
of that whole entire concept of thought. Because when you
view it as a play, you've got to do it that way. When you view
it as, you know, kind of a different kind of perspective. So anyhow,
I had some other things I was going to read, but they're not
important. Look. Keep this book. I would suggest
you keep this. Don't give this book away. Keep
this book. Go back to it occasionally. Read
it. Think about it. When you're going through pain,
maybe you ought to read it again. And so on. Because we're all
going to suffer eventually. It's not a question of if, it's
a question of how many times and how bad it's going to be.
And so the truth is, is that we need an internal perspective.
And that's not as easy as it sounds. So next week we'll get
together, we'll start this book in Titus, talk about some godly
foundations, which begins with dominion, which is not dominance. You know why I said that? And then we'll go from there.
All right, let's get out of here.
Job 42 - The Book of Grace
Series Job - Faith thru Suffering
Job is the oldest book in the BIble estimated to have been written nearly 1800 or more years before Christ. Yet it has the most current message of all - God is a God of Grace! In this final lesson on Job we give a variety of final thoughts but they all revolve around the principal message of Job--GRACE!
| Sermon ID | 102723121581626 |
| Duration | 51:23 |
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| Category | Bible Study |
| Language | English |
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