This is, well, I can't say part two, really, because we've really didn't leave off part one, part two. Anyways, this is another great sit down. Brandon Holthaus, again, he was kind enough to, uh, to lend us his time. He is a very, very busy, busy man. And that's a good thing. Busy for the Lord is a good thing. And you are going to a prophecy conference coming up. By the time I get to editing this, you'll probably have already done the prophecy conference. It'll probably be online somewhere. It'll be online. Hope for today we'll have it online. Very cool. So go check it out. Cause like I said, by the time I get to editing this, I'm a one man band. I was telling Brandon and, um, I'm not Mr. Pro editor, but nonetheless, the content that we're going to be talking about is timeless. And so whether this comes out in a week or two or three, hopefully less, all of this stuff we're talking about is gonna be just as valid then as it is now. So Brandon, thanks so much for coming on. My pleasure, Pablo. Thanks for having me, man. Appreciate it. Um, he is one of the only pastors. Okay. I know there's others, but he's one of the only pastors that says one of my favorite words, dude. And I say that way too much. I'm sure if I ever get invited to speak somewhere, that's going to be a slip of the tongue somewhere. I'm going to say, dude, and I probably will never get invited ever again, but that's okay. It's all right. We're from California, man. That's part of the lingo. That's right. And then for those of you that saw me, I did have a big old beard before. I just decided to get rid of the beard for now. I'm kind of moving away from Old Testament beard and we'll see where it goes if I decide to grow that sometime. But anyways, for now, it's summer here in SoCal. It's hot and I'm okay without having so much facial hair. There you go. So anyways, we have a lot to talk about. But before we do, Brandon, for those that might have not caught the first interview, the sit down we did, why don't you briefly tell us a bit your your pastor, where you went to school just quickly so we can just dive right in? Well, my background is political science, and I was I went to Columbia University back east in New York, and I went there as an unsaved Catholic, obviously, and I got saved at 19 my freshman year during the summer, and then I came back to Columbia as a born-again Christian, and the fight was on at that point in time. So a lot of my background is dealing with political apologetics from a biblical standpoint and dealing with what we had to deal with at Columbia, but also apologetics from a biblical standpoint because of the incessant attack from the universities on Christians. I had to learn my game. I had to learn apologetics in order to defend my faith. And so I went there. Eventually, I got a call to ministry from the Lord and went to Liberty. At that time, it was Liberty Baptist Seminary. Is that in Virginia? Yeah, it's in Virginia, and now it's called Liberty University, and it's under a big umbrella. But back then, Dr. Falwell was the president and everything, and so went to seminary, got two masters there. Then came back to California and been doing ministry for, gosh, about 20 years now. I started Rock Harbor about 10 years ago, and We started Rock Harbor with the intent of being a remnant church. We had a vision in the fact that we saw the growing apostasy. We saw the lateness of the day as far as prophecy is concerned. And so we ended up deciding, look, this is the kind of church we're going to be. We're going to talk about prophecy, not every Sunday or whatever. We're going to highlight that. We're going to make point that people understand it, understand the current events. and be part of that remnant Philadelphia element that's hanging on to the truth, not apostatizing. At this point, we had the mindset of, look, we're not doing the church growth thing where y'all come and we're going to give you a watered-down version of the gospel. We are the exact opposite. We're giving you the full Monty on a Sunday morning because the church is supposed to be for the edification of the saints. It's not necessarily for entertaining goats. And so we had that mindset. So that does thin out the crowd. There's no doubt about that. But we're pretty serious about getting the word out. And right now in this day and time, I now understand why God did that for us because we would be in such a time as this where people would need the Word of God, need to know prophecy, need to know connections of what's happening in the world. And that is the one thing of all our listeners and people who watch our videos all say. We got no churches telling us the truth. We got apostasy. We got woke pastors. They won't talk prophecy and they won't talk current events. And so now I totally get it now, why he put that on my heart 10 years ago to break away and say, do this, because here we are. That's a little bit of my background. Very cool. And, um, you were pastoring before you started Rock Harbor and God transitioned you from there and then into Rock Harbor. And that's where you've been ever since. Yeah, I was, uh, started out with a young, as a young adult pastor, education pastor, and then the Lord put it on my heart to become a senior pastor and launch and plant our own church. So that's kind of how that went down. But yeah. That's pretty amazing that you have a degree in poly-sci from Columbia University. How did you survive Columbia University as a Christian? I'm telling you what, it was probably one of the hardest times of my life because of the professors. You know, in a political science environment at Columbia, that's where all a lot of our Marxists and socialists are coming out of. Believe it or not, that's where the Frankfurt School went and hid coming out of Germany, they hit in our Ivy Leagues and particularly Columbia University. If you note, that's where the Cloward and Pivens professors came from, they collapsed the systems, that's where Obama went. And you shouldn't be shocked that when you see politicians coming from Columbia University, that they're full-blown Marxist, socialist, communist, whatever, because that's what's in that university and all the other IVs along with everything else. So it was a fight. It was a fight that, number one, you needed to know your Christianity very well, but also needed to know how Christianity was a worldview and how it figures into politics. So a lot of Christians, unfortunately, have a mindset, well, that's just politics. No, no, no. Politics is a worldview. And they say, Brandon, you're being too political. And I always come back and tell them, what's political about being pro-life? And what's political about being pro-traditional marriage? How is that political? But now it is a political issue. And the Christians have to be able to fight on that ground. Basically what I learned is polemics and apologetics being in that environment, and I think now it makes sense, is because the end times one of the legs of Babylon is a political leg. Economic leg, you have a political leg, and then you have the religious leg. And most Christians can understand the religious leg, the whore of Babylon, but a lot of Christians can't discern the political aspect of Babylon, which obviously leads into a global government, and that's where we're at right now. So I think I don't know how God does things, obviously, but through his providence, I think it was providential that I learned how to combat false views politically through a Judeo-Christian ethic. Yeah, I agree 100%. I really think that that's a unfortunately, that's a lost art. Yeah, especially even in I know off the record, we were just kind of chit chatting about universities, Christian universities, and how there are literally probably only a handful that you can probably just count with one hand throughout the entire US. that haven't capitulated to the world, to its views, to this whole woke system. And so, unfortunately, we are at a point where... I don't personally think things are going to get any better. And I don't say that lighthearted. Trust me, I don't. I try not to lose sleep over it, but it does keep me up thinking about things. At the end of the day, we don't, as much as Brandon and I, we know the Bible and we read it and study it. We don't really know exactly how things are going to play out. What I mean by that is we have an idea, right? Okay. We know the rapture is going to happen very, very soon. I believe so. I'm sure Brandon does too, just because we're seeing everything happening around us, but what exactly is going to happen? How bad is it going to get? I don't know. The Bible says it's going to get bad, but we don't know exactly what is going to be that trigger. for us to be out of here, to get caught up. So perfect segue because I really want to cover the whole topic if we can, we'll see how far we get. The whole topic of the rapture. the tribulation, the mark, the antichrist. I really think those are very, very apropos subjects in light of everything happening around the world. Absolutely. And so I'm going to lead off with this. Uh, there is a friend of ours who's a, he's, he's not a believer. He is, uh, a dad that, um, our son, they swim on the same team together. And they're Catholics, and if you don't know where I stand on Catholicism, go see the video I did with Mike Gendron, second to last, amazing, great video. Mike's a good guy. Yeah, Mike's a great guy. So, nonetheless, he is blown away at how things are going. And this is a guy that doesn't know the Lord, he doesn't know scripture, because the Catholic Church does not encourage their people, their congregation, to study and know scripture, quite the opposite. But with that said, he's realizing that something's wrong, something's off. And he said, I never thought I would see this happen so quick, meaning things getting out of control so quickly. Now, that's coming from someone who doesn't know scripture. But they know that something is wrong. Something is absolutely wrong. And something is going to happen as believers. We know that to be the rapture. Something's going to happen very soon. But before we do that, Brandon, what exactly is the rapture of the church? And then I know that there's amongst believers, there is debate about the timing of the rapture. But first, let's cover the rapture. What is it? Okay. Well, the rapture, to put it in a nutshell, is basically the snatching away, the harpazo. The Latin phrase is where we get the term rapture, but it's a quick snatching away, a clutching away, real quick. And basically the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 says that it's so quick, it's the timing of it, it's like the twinkling of an eye. You know, so it's the idea of light that would show up in your eye that quick is removal of all believers in Jesus prior to the tribulation period of time. This distinguishes it between that and the second coming. The second coming is the Lord coming back to earth. to fight a war, to finish off the battle of Armageddon, to destroy the Antichrist, the false prophet, and then set up his kingdom, whereas the rapture is distinguished in Scripture as the catching away of the church to be absent from that seven-year period of time, because that period of time is called Jacob's trouble. It's not the church's trouble. And therefore, in 1 Thessalonians chapter 5, it also says that the church is under no condemnation. Well, that means that the church cannot see God's wrath, and therefore the church is protected at that time by being removed off the earth, but then we come back at the Second Coming with the Messiah to watch him destroy the Antichrist and set up his kingdom. It's a difference. Now, the thing about the rapture versus the second coming, there's a lot of things that sound familiar, and that's why a lot of people lump them together. But when you really study it, it's two distinct events. Separated by seven years. And we can go into all the details about that, but that's a baseline understanding is that Before the tribulation starts, the church is promised, the true church, the believing church, those who are born again are promised to be raptured prior to the day of judgment, that seven year period of time called the tribulation. Yeah. So, um, okay. So I just did a no, no. Right. And I love doing this, pointing out my faults. One of the worst things you can do while you're doing one of these is bedtime. And there was, how awkward was that? Was that like three seconds? Maybe, I don't know, two, three seconds. where I just stare at the camera, because I'm deep in thought here, and I'm wondering, well, hold on, there's so much I want to say, but oh yeah, wait, he's done talking. That means I need to jump in anyways, which I do want to jump in. Just to kind of piggyback off what you said, I was busy looking up 1 Thessalonians chapter 4, because one of the very cool aspects of the rapture of the church is the hope that it brings to the life of the believer. Yeah. So as we were just talking right now, as I just mentioned, things are going crazy bonkers in the world. I mean, you can just pick up the right newspaper or actually I shouldn't even say newspapers. I don't even know. Is there any good newspapers in circulation now? As far as I know, I don't know. I just go online. So anyway. You can, there's a couple of them that I like to go to. I might link them up. But it's going crazy. It's nuts. It's really backwards, you know, like Isaiah. What is, where is it saying Isaiah chapter 5? Is it 20 or somewhere around there? Where it says that, what are those that call evil good and good evil? And then we're kind of, not kind of, we are in those days. I mean, yeah. I'm not going to get into the current events or any of that, but the very last verse of chapter four, first Thessalonians chapter four, verse 18, and this has to be my favorite verse of the entire chapter says, therefore, comfort one another with these words, right? When you see the word, therefore, you have to see what it's there for. So go back a few verses and you can read it's about the rapture of the church. It's about Jesus Christ taking his bride, the church, the true church, out before all of these things happen. And that's a comforting thought, a comforting word for us, knowing that we're not going to go through it. That's great. Now, like I said before, there are many who debate the timing of the rapture. There are those that are called pre-tribulational rapture, which is, we believe, according to scripture, and I know Brandon would agree, that we believe that the pre-trib rapture is the best It fits the biblical narrative the best. That is the way that I believe the Bible and Jesus Christ told us, and it fits that perfectly. Now, there are those that believe that there's more than three, but I'm going to just talk about these three real quick. There's the mid-tribulational. They believe that the Lord is going to come back at the midpoint. That's what? During the abomination and desolation? Yeah. And then there's the post-tribulational, which means that Jesus Christ's second coming, we're just going to do a U-turn. I mean, it's just going to be like, oh, we're meeting him in the end and we're just going to come right back down. Yo-yo. Yeah. Yo-yo. Yeah. And there's a few others. There's the pre-wrath rapture. There's a guy by the name of Marv Rosenthal, who really is the one that's kind of, um trying to get that whole notion to take off that's a uh i like what david hawking says he's all he says it's almost like a protestant purgatory you know what i mean which i think is hilarious that's a good way of putting it yeah it's a good way of putting it um and then there again there's there's a bunch of other ones but the three most predominant are pre mid and post right biblically when you really, really study scripture, the one that most fits is the pre-trib rapture. And there are tons and tons of reasons why. We can't get into it now. Maybe we'll do, you know, another one talking about those specifically. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Yeah. So with that said though, I have a litany of things that I want to talk about. So we covered what the Rapture is and then all the different views. And we know that things are getting bad right now. So here I'm going to start putting you on the hot spot. We know that things are going to get really bad. And then right after the rapture of the church, there is a gap of time. We don't know what that gap is before the tribulation starts. What starts the tribulation? Well, the tribulation is started by Daniel chapter 9, 27, when the Antichrist makes a covenant with Israel. I'm going to look it up and while you talk, and then I'll read it afterwards. Okay. So what happens is that starts Daniel 70th week. And again, we don't have time to go into the explanation of all that, but basically there's a period of time called Daniel 70th week. That needs to happen. It's a period of seven years, and that's where we get the seven-year tribulation from. But what kicks that off, that start of it, of Israel's history, is the signing of the covenant with the Antichrist. So right now, prophetic time has stopped. So we've been in this mystery gap that it's called. We call it the church age. The church was a mystery. It wasn't spoken of in the Old Testament. And what has happened is now that the Messiah was crucified, buried, and rose again, the prophetic timetable has stopped for Israel. And what's happened is Daniel predicted this time, I think it's 490 years altogether prophetically for Israel. Well, we stopped at the death, burial, and resurrection of the Messiah, and that was at 483 years. So what's happened is we've been in this gap for the last seven years to occur, and Daniel said it's kicked off by the Antichrist signing the covenant with Israel, and that will finish off Israel's prophetic history for them to get saved. So it's like a pause button. We've been on the pause. That's a good way of putting it. And the reason for the pause is Israel's rejection of the king and his kingdom. So they've been allotted 70 weeks of seven, correct? Yes. Okay. And we have elapsed up to the time where Jesus Christ um was crucified rose from the dead well when he came in triumphal entry crucified and then rose from the dead we have we've elapsed 483 years that is 69 weeks of years yes correct yes and we're i mean right 83 to 90 that's seven seven years are left yes seven year tribulation yep So, um, sorry, I just, I wanted to jump in there and just kind of clear that up. So we are in a pause right now. What do we call that pause that we're in right now? We call it the mystery kingdom. Okay. Is that what we would refer to the church age, the age of grace or any of that? Yeah, it could be. The mystery age of grace would be another, would be the dispensation that we're in right now. Okay. Hold on. What's dispensation? It's an economy of time or an era in which God deals differently with different eras. Okay. Like for instance, so people would know this, that we in the church age don't do ritual sacrifices in a temple anymore. Right. We're not keeping mosaic law, wearing one kind of clothing, and you can't have mixed clothing, stuff like that. People obviously know we're not doing the mosaic dispensation. We're in the church dispensation. In this dispensation, it's called the Mystery Kingdom. The reason why is because it wasn't spoken of in the Old Testament. The Messianic Age was, but not the Mystery Kingdom. And so the Mystery Kingdom parables, if someone wants to know about them, is to read Matthew 13. That's when Jesus starts explaining how this time gap's going to be now that Israel has rejected the Messiah. And anyway, in the Mystery Kingdom, the Mystery Kingdom starts from the rejection of the Messiah by Israel to the Second Coming. So it encompasses the seven-year Tribulation, but also includes the Church. The Church is involved in that as well. And so that's why sometimes people will call it the Church Age, Christendom. age of grace, things of that nature, because that's the period we're in. That's the time out. Okay. So now that, and let me just kind of back up a bit. Rapture happens, and then the tribulation does not start when the rapture happens. There's a misunderstanding there. I just want to make sure that we clear that up. We don't, again, these are things we don't know. We don't know if it's a week, two weeks, two months, two years. We don't know when it is that the tribulation starts because the Antichrist will do what? Well, he signs a covenant of death, according to Isaiah, and that covenant of death is to protect Israel from the overflowing scourge, basically, of more invasions. And that's for seven years, correct? For seven years. Seven years, okay. So that's what kicks off the tribulation. Boom. That signing of that covenant or the enforcement of the covenant. So there's got to be something in place for him to enforce, right? Yes and so he's going to make that covenant and it is and it'll be signaled by a seven. It'll be for seven years. Okay. That will be the hallmark of it. Now here is a question that I'm always itching to ask. Okay. And I'm gonna There are those that reject Jesus Christ, the gift of salvation, this side of the rapture, right? I've heard all kinds of excuses, even, Oh, I'll just wait, you know, right before the rapture. And I'll just ask Jesus Christ to be my Lord and savior, right? Too late. I'm not going to happen. I guarantee you that won't happen. If you're, if you're thinking of doing that, you're not that quick, trust me. And then. Well, I'm just going to wait until the tribulation to ask Jesus Christ to be my Lord and Savior. Chuck Smith used to put it so beautifully because he said, if you are unwilling to surrender your life to Jesus Christ this side of the tribulation without persecution, How are you going to do it on the flip side during the tribulation when there is the worst persecution ever recorded in all human history? Excellent point. Right? So my question to you is, and I know this is probably a loaded question, but do you think that those that have rejected Christ this side of the rapture will want to surrender their life to Jesus Christ on the flip side of the rapture during the tribulation. Will they be, in essence, will they forfeit that opportunity if they do it pre-rapture? What are your thoughts on that? Okay, so let's unpack that a little bit. Right, and again, I know it was a loaded question, so. Yeah, so let's first start is Let's start with the basis of understanding about chances to be saved after the rapture. The scriptures indicate yes, and it was a misnomer when people used to say, well, it says in 2 Thessalonians 2 that a powerful delusion will be sent and those who refuse the truth will believe the lie. But they don't understand that you've got to read 2 Thessalonians in context and understand that what Paul is doing, even in that chapter, is laying out a chronological order. He's trying to tell the Thessalonians, who are all messed up right now because some false teacher giving them some type of post-rapture version of things, he's actually laying out a chronology. If you look at the chronology, the abomination of desolation, where Antichrist proclaims himself to be God, we know that's the midpoint, so Paul highlights that. And then after that, it says the strong delusion is given. who that will believe the lie. The lie is the lie that Antichrist says that he claims to be God. It's right there in the context. That's the lie. And so we see that it's the second half of the Tribulation, and then when you marry that with chapter 14 of Revelation where the third angel who sends out, is actually saying things to the inhabitants of the earth, saying, if you take the mark, you're going to reach the point of no return. You're going to be in the lake of fire, basically. Let me just put a pause real quick. Don't lose your train of thought. This angel is going to be visible to the human eye. Okay, so what is supernatural now, this side of the rapture? is going to be in the natural on the flip side during the tribulation. I want to make that crystal clear. This is people will see the angels with their physical eyes. Okay. Yeah. And demons and demons. Yeah. So sorry. I just wanted to make that crystal clear. Supernatural and the physical are actually combined at that point in time. Yes. It's manifesting itself. So God, out of his grace and mercy, is sending a warning. One angel has the eternal gospel. One angel pronounces the destruction of Babylon. And this third angel tells people, if you take the mark, then you're not coming back from that. That is the point of no return. And so basically, based on that, and then they get the strong delusion at that point in time, people will still have a chance to accept the Messiah, even if they miss the rapture, all the way up to the middle of the tribulation. And they'll hear the preaching of the 144,000, the two witnesses, and even this last angel sharing the eternal gospel. But anyway, it's at the midpoint that you have to make a choice. And so up until that point, people still have a chance to be saved. So that was what usually wasn't communicated in the past. In the past, I think people were broad brushing this whole thing and saying, well, after the rapture, you're not going to have a chance because you're going to be sent to strong delusion. And that's not accurate. So people are still under that guise. I've run into people still under that guise of thinking that they can't be saved after the rapture, and that's not true. It's not true at all. It's after the mark of the beast, if you take that mark. Okay, that being stated, then let's go to somebody that says, you know, I'm gonna wait. Well, if someone is saying that right now, that indicates to me that they have a hard heart. And the thing is, supernatural events that occur don't make the heart necessarily softer. Look at Pharaoh. Pharaoh, every time he saw something miraculous happen on the scale of the plagues of Egypt, his heart became harder and harder. Now you can reverse that anytime you want to, but the propensity for a hard heart is that it gets actually harder the more supernatural things it sees. Sure. And so some of the most unbelieving generations in biblical history are those who saw the most miracles. Whether it was Jesus, Moses, or now we're talking about the last days. I mean the rapture is a major miracle. Oh yeah. And if you have a hard heart, that doesn't bode well for you. And so you could actually get harder going on. But my thought, again, just knowing how scriptures talk about hard hearts, seared conscience, and all that stuff, is you're gonna see a massive explosion of evangelism in the first half of the tribulation. There's a major revival among the Gentiles, and we see that in Revelation chapter seven. But I have a funny hunch that's more with those who were ignorant of the situation, And then realize through the preaching of the 144,000 that, okay, this is what that was. Because when I see what scripture warns about, it warns about having a hard heart and what it can do to you because a hard heart can blind you. and to where you don't see reality very well. You don't see truth anymore. So when you say that, that yeah, people, yeah, they'll have a chance to come to faith, but also depends on that heart of that individual. Absolutely. When you sin against revelation, you actually condemn yourself even more. Jesus said this about like Chorazin, Capernaum, and Bethsaida. He said, if the miracles that I would have done here would have been done in Sodom and Gomorrah. They would have repented in sackcloth and ashes. But because you haven't, your judgment is going to be worse. And so you see that there's an element that those who reject revelation, scripture, right now, are not going to bode well in the tribulation. I'm not saying they can't be saved, but it's going to be harder. Yeah. And I would probably say that that not only applies to the individual, I want to say that that applies to nations as well. Absolutely. A hard mark, whether unbeliever or believer, both can have a hard heart. Sure. And you know what? Unfortunately, I don't like to say this, but our country, the United States of America, We are on the fast pass, fast lane, you can, whatever you want to name, you know, fill in the blank. We are on the road there faster than we can say fast. Yeah. And we shouldn't be surprised because after decades upon decades of this stuff building up, It's all coming out now. Yeah, absolutely. What year did you graduate? So you went to Columbia. I know I'm backtracking. Sorry, but just follow me on this. You went to Columbia. What years are we talking about? In the 90s? I graduated 96. 96, folks. OK. And it was bad then. It was horrible then. So we're talking what, 20 years ago? 20 plus years ago? 25 years ago? Can you imagine where we're at now, ladies and gentlemen? Where we're at in regards to the indoctrination of the youth, it's crazy. I think we're seeing the fallout of so many years of indoctrination, of Marxist theology being taught, and this is the result of that when it goes unchecked. The church has remained silent. and has been sitting on its laurels for way too many years. And this is where we're at, folks. This is exactly where we're at. You would imagine that at some point, pastors would take a step back and go, what have we done? What have we not done? What have we not done? But that's not the case. Not only is that not the case, they're actually embracing all of this horrific and heretical theology that we see coming from the pulpits. And so I know I don't want to rabbit trail. I'm going to really try hard to stay on track here, but think about that. Cause it's really easy for me to get to rabbit track and just go off on a tangent. And I won't this time is I really want to stay on track, but so there will be those that will have the opportunity here is where to me, I see a lot of, uh, I don't even know if it's confusion, but there seems to be different opinions about this. During the first three and a half years of the tribulation, leading up to what the Bible calls the abomination that causes desolation, that's when the Antichrist sets himself up in the Holy of Holies and says, I'm God, worship me, right? That's when the Bible tells the Jews, don't even grab your stuff, flee to the hills, just get out. And I hope women aren't pregnant or you're not nursing because it is gonna be bad. But before then we have three and a half years. Now there's this, there are those that thing, and I don't know what your opinion is. that we're going to be, not we, sorry, I shouldn't say we, cause I don't plan on being here and you shouldn't plan on being here either. Okay. Brandon is not going to be here either. So don't, don't email us if you're here. Um, but there's those that think that the first three and a half years of the tribulation are going to be peachy King singing Kumbaya perfect peace and harmony. And I have a difficult time with that concept and I'll tell you why. there's the seals of Revelation. We have sealed, let's just say, let's just unpack seal one through four, right? Just if you can, I think what is that? Chapter six of Revelation talks is where the seals start. So if you guys want to go open your Bible and read just even the first four seals, okay? You don't need to be a theologian to pick up the book. The Bible tells you exactly what they are. So the Antichrist is the first one. which is the rider on a white horse. And he comes to conquer and conquering, but how does he do that? It's through a false peace and diplomacy, right? But we shouldn't forget who the antichrist is. Not a good dude. Who is this man of lawlessness? I'm asking so, so yeah, right. So we, this is a whole topic for a whole nother show, but briefly, briefly, briefly, briefly, uh, just tell us who is the antichrist? What role is he going to play during the tribulation? Well, The Antichrist... Anti, obviously, is in substitute for. He's in substitute for the Messiah. So he's going to be Satan's best counterfeit of the Son. As Satan will play the role of the Father, the Antichrist will play the role of the Son, and the False Prophet will play the role of the Holy Spirit. So it's a counterfeit of the Trinity, and we call it the Satanic Trinity. And so he is Satan's son. Now, we understand that he's empowered by Satan. He has powers that he manifests. So does the false prophet, signs, lying signs and wonders. So it won't just be just simply a man that's very good in rhetoric. He knows occultic information, according to Daniel, and he uses it because he's empowered by Satan to do things. So imagine seeing the best spoken guy you've ever seen on the world stage. And yet he has supernatural abilities to do things. Can I jump in here real quick, Brandon? Sorry, for those that don't know me, I have this terrible bad habit of interrupting my guests. And that wouldn't surprise me why a lot of my guests don't want to come on. but I need to ask these questions and I think a lot of people might have questions just like this too. So as you're talking about the Antichrist, we've had many Antichrists come before, but this is going to be the final Antichrist, okay? The one that comes to my mind right now is Adolf Hitler, okay? And you had mentioned this, you know, oratory skills. I guess Hitler had it. I don't speak German, but I have seen clips of him speak and he seems like a very, very, you know, zealous, passionate man when he's addressing the German nation back then. Yeah, very charisma, charismatic, very drawing, compelling, those kinds of things. And he was. And so was a lot of these world dictators that are types of antichrists. Because we've had types of antichrists all the way back to Nimrod. Sure. Pharaoh is a type of antichrist. Haman, evil Haman is a type of antichrist. Antiochus Epiphanes. And you name it, you know. And so those were all foreshadows of the one to come. And like John, like you're mentioning that John, 1 John will say that many Antichrists have come. It's talking about forerunners that deny the Messiah. Yeah. And a false teacher could be an Antichrist. But the Antichrist is the seed of the serpent. Yeah. And, and when you start getting into that, um, it starts getting very uncomfortable about talking about him because he's not simply just a man. So under Mao Zedong, I think I said that right. I hope I said that right. And Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin, Just under those three, we had over what, 40 million deaths around? 40 million folks, 40 million of their own people. So the reason why I want to bring this up is because I want to let Brandon kind of expound on the atrocities that the final Antichrist is going to commit against humanity, especially the persecution against Christians and the Jewish nation itself. So why don't you go ahead? That's why I wanted to bring that up. Sorry, I just had to. I felt the need to put it into perspective for people to understand. These dudes were really, really satanic and bad. But the final Antichrist is going to make these guys look like little babies with their pacifiers in their mouth. Yeah. No. If you think of all the world dictators put together all the way going back to Nimrod, Pharaoh, all of them. This guy's got them all beat. Because his father is Satan, we know that Jesus called Satan a murderer, a liar, a destroyer. Well, this is what he does. He actually has no problem killing people. There will be massive, massive executions for those who don't take his mark. That's number one. Second, when he proclaims himself to be God in the temple, he seeks to annihilate the whole Jewish population. He will get very close to doing that. He will eliminate two-thirds of Israel. Right now, if you did the numbers, there's about 14 million Jews on the planet. you'll annihilate if this was to go down pretty soon, it would annihilate two thirds of that. Yeah, about 10 million. Yeah, so I mean, he's on a rampage. And there's a theological reason for going after the Jews, but just the fact that Satan hates humanity. So part of what Satan does, part of what dictators do, is they murder people because the end justifies the mean, for whatever reason. I mean, Hitler did it, he gassed people. And we're starting to see now that we're seeing this eugenics movement in globalism where We want to reduce the population down to 500 million people. What? Well, what does that mean? And so we can talk about the implications of all that. But at the end of the day, they want to reduce the population by murder. That's what abortion is about. Absolutely. And so by the way. For those of you that might think that Brandon and I are off our rockers, go look at the Georgia, what is it called? The Georgia what? The Georgia Guidestones. Just do a Google search and then look at the 10 what they write about the Georgia Guidestones. These are massive granite stones, okay? It's written in stone, folks, just like they say. You can go look that up yourself. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I wanted to make sure that I like to throw that out because some people go, you guys are just a bunch of nutcases. No, we're not. No. And the thing is what I tell people now, it's not a conspiracy anymore. They actually say it. Yeah. But when they're saying it and you got the Georgia Guidestones, but the World Economic Forum says that those guys involved in it say it. So it's not a conspiracy. So Either you're going to believe the facts of what they say, or you're just going to discount what they say. But it's not me saying it. It's not you saying it. It's them. Sure. So that is part of the program. You think about even the hoax of climate change. You want to reduce the human population. They say humans are a cancer. Yeah. So anyway, so this guy's going to go to a rampage and kill a majority of humanity, which is exactly what Satan wants. He wants to destroy humanity. He hates humans, and he particularly hates the Jews. And the reason, theologically, he goes after the Jews, and has always done that, is because the Second Coming is predicated on the Jews accepting the Messiah. And once they accept him, he returns for them. And so Satan's idea is, well, if I can eliminate all the Jews, there's no one to plead for his return and he won't come back. I know it sounds crazy, but again, we're not talking about a sane mind. We're talking about what his intent is because of this sinful mind. Well, and what's crazy to me is how many people are going to be willing to take the mark of the beast, which we're going to get to in just a bit, folks. I'm trying to really, really trying to stay focused here. It's OK. There's a lot. Yeah, there is a lot. And you know what? I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, people are wondering and they're asking these questions. And it's just it's it's a thought process. And I really want to get this information out there because I don't hear it in too many places, very few places. So we went first seal, Antichrist. Second seal, conflict on earth, we have the rider of the red horse. And the rider of the red horse, it says here, another horse fiery red, this is a Revelation chapter six, starting in verse four, another horse fiery red went out and it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth and that people should kill one another And there was given to him a great sword. Sounds like war, right? It is the first world war of the tribulation. There's actually three. And so when someone says talk about peace, I don't know what they're talking about. I don't either. I really don't. I don't understand. Now, there's a peace agreement, but that doesn't mean there's peace on the ground. No, there's this there's this weird concept of the. Of of almost like. The scroll, right, we talk about, again, if you want to read about this, chapter 4, chapter 5, you read about the scroll, who's worthy to, you know, to loose the seals, the scroll and read it, that's Jesus Christ. But some, for some reason, they feel that They bunch the seals up as a, okay, I'm going to take the trumpet goes into this seal, and this goes into this seal, and they kind of, they categorize everything within there. And that's not the case, folks. These are in perfect sequential order. That's a key thing that they need to understand. And I think you need to highlight that because the Book of Revelation is one of the first prophetic books that lays things out in chronological order. Even the church age is in chronological order in chapters two and three. Pablo, you nailed it. The sequential aspects of these, you cannot put judgments into the other ones. They come out of it sequentially, but you've got to have judgment one, judgment two, judgment three, sequentially happening. And you're totally right. So if people can understand that when they read a book of Revelation, it is sequential. Yeah. So we understand it. So we have death because of persecution, Antichrist. We have death with the writer on the red horse, which is seal number two. We have seal number three, which is the black horse. And if we fast forward just a couple of verses, so I looked and behold a black horse and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand and I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures say, quote, a quart of wheat for a denarius and three quarts of barley for a denarius and do not harm the oil and the wine. So the black horse brings death, am I right? What did the black horse bring? Well, it's economic problems, obviously. So wheat is more expensive than barley, correct? What it's trying to say is the economy is so tanked, not only because of the global government and the global economy that they're trying to run, but because of world wars, resources are scarce. Yeah. And so I think it's a combination of all of this, you know, because Global fascism, global communism reduces resources. That's what's happening here in California. Yeah. And so ultimately what will happen is it'll take one day, one day to make enough money to buy one meal. For one person. For one person. That's how bad the economy will be in the tribulation. obviously due to these other factors, wars, the global economy, it is gonna be communism global, basically. So we can say famine. Yeah, there's no doubt famine will happen and people will die because of that, because they don't have the resources. But the concept of not harming the oil and wine is very interesting, because I come from this and from a political standpoint. In every communist regime that you've ever seen, the bulk of the people are destitute and poor. That's how it is. Whether it's China, Fidel Castro's Cuba, or wherever. But the elite on the top always have the luxury items. Always. Luxury items, as mentioned, is oil and wine. That there will still be oil and wine for the elite, but everyone else will be dirt poor. Which is classic. economic communism, which is exactly what the world's going to go to through corporate fascism. It'll be a global, communal, communistic type of economy. Sure, sure. Can I interject real quick? Yeah. For those of you kind of scratching your head and going, well, that's a good thing. It's in the future, folks. Let me just say this much real quick. We just had one of the worst hacks on the largest meat processing facility. And if you guys think that that's not going to affect the price of meat, think again. That is going to affect the price of meat. We have inflation starting to hit. which is gonna make the price of goods skyrocket. There was, I heard the price of corn is gonna be skyrocketing too. How many products contain corn in it is insane. And so, for those of you that think this is some crazy time in the far gone future, think again. Everything is being said. I really believe the stage, think of a big stage, Think of the curtains and everything, all the props on the stage. I think everything is set. All we are waiting for is for the curtains to just open up. Everything is there. And this will happen. Folks, I guarantee you, if the Bible says it, it's gonna happen 100%. I guarantee you that. I guarantee you that. So, leading the charge on the next horse, which is the fourth seal. Is the rider on the pale horse And the name of him who sat on it was death and hades followed with him. I always found that interesting that hades Follows him doesn't say heaven follows him. Yeah, um you know but Power was given to them, okay, plural. So for those, this is where I guess I'm stumped where they get the thought that perfect peace and harmony, kumbaya, everybody's going to have so much money in their bank account and things are going to be good because of this verse. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth. That I find very interesting too because I see the earth groaning as of late. I really find nature in a very interesting position now where it just seems like nature is groaning And we're headed towards that place where these crazy natural disasters are not only increasing, like the Bible says, frequency and intensity, but they're going to get a lot more. We're going to see a lot of those in places we usually don't see them. Yeah. So, Brandon, what some will say, yeah, but that doesn't say that a quarter of the earth's population is going to die within, you know, the first four seals. It just says that. You know, people might die, people are going to die, but it's very clear here that power was given to them over a fourth of the earth when power is given over to these writers over a fourth of the earth. What does that mean? willpower to kill it says in the text. So that's the thing is, I sometimes scratch my head metaphorically. And I'm thinking, how come you don't not you but people who are saying that are not just reading the text. The power is to kill with sword, to kill with hunger, to kill with death and to kill by the beasts of the earth. Yeah, it's all about killing. You know, on whether this is referring to angels who are given the task of doing this, or whether that's having having to do with these these armies of the Antichrist, because it's a world war. Yeah. Even that last phrase, the beasts of the earth, well, some have, and I think this is a pretty good interjection, that beasts of the earth doesn't necessarily mean lions and tigers and bears, oh my, but could be what we saw with coming out of the Wuhan China lab. We're talking about microscopic beasts who are unleashed on the earth as a plague, a pestilence. Yeah. And I could see that happening because that could take out such a huge portion of the population of the earth. Yeah, man. Yeah, absolutely. And so sometimes I think when you read that, you know, don't think of a bear trying to attack you. It's more, I think, on the microscopic level to better understand that. But at the end of the day, look what's happened. In the first half of the Tribulation, we've got an Antichrist, then we have a World War, and we have scarcity, and we have death. I don't see peace in that. Yeah, yeah, no, and I don't either. And so for me, you know, I really believe, yes, the whole period is the seven years is called the tribulation. And the second half is called the great tribulation. Right. But I think we really need to understand that the entire seven year tribulation is in question when it comes to the severity of what's going to happen. And we can't really even comprehend how bad things are going to get. You can look at videos of the Holocaust. You can look at videos of all kinds of natural disasters from earthquakes to hurricanes, to tornado devastations, to tsunamis. Look at all of that. And all of these things pale in comparison to what is going to happen during the seven year tribulation. Now, and to add to that, I think the people who understand the pre-tribulational view of the rapture is to understand that the seal judgments are called the wrath of the lamb. They are not. It is not man made wrath. It is the wrath of the lamb. And so that's why we can't be under that. Otherwise we have double jeopardy. And we can't have that as believers. So this is all coming from Him breaking the seals, which is His wrath. So it's all wrath. Yeah. And so why? The question some people may ask, why? Why would God, who is loving and gracious and compassionate, why would He allow for something like this? I can already hear people saying, well, you're telling me God is loving and that He's compassionate and He's merciful, and He is. Let's not forget he's just as well. So why would God allow this to happen? Yeah. Well, it's just, you know, to put it in more of a, uh, people can understand if, if someone raped and murdered, you know, your wife and your kids and whatnot, and they went before a judge and the judge says, you know what, boys will be boys. Uh, I'm a loving judge and I'm just going to let them go. I know the first thing out of people's mouth would, they would say, they say, that's an unjust judge because they hurt my family members. They raped and killed my family. and you would want justice. So in order for God to be loving, he has to be just. And that's how the Bible portrays him. He's a loving God, but in order to be loving, you have to be just. You have to punish evil. And what's happened, the people of this earth have been going on for so many years, thousands of years, and with God's grace and mercy unpunished. Now what the tribulation is about is punishing that element. God's given them a time of grace, which 2 Peter 3 talks about, and now eventually he's going to have to judge, and this is what it's about. It's about serving of justice. Absolutely. On a big scale. On a very big scale. So folks, there's a lot of things. And let me see, what do we do? How are we doing on time? You tell me. I'm good. I'm good. Good? Okay. So we're going to keep plowing through this. This is really, we're just scratching at the surface here. We really, really are. There's not a whole lot. We can get into specifics, but we might do that at another time. because I think we really need to. I believe that at some point, Lord willing, when we're gone, these videos will prayerfully for a short while serve as a source to bring an explanation as to the chaos that's ensuing in the world right after disappearances, which leads me to something that I didn't, I wasn't going to mention this, but I'm going to now. Some folks are gonna be trying to find an explanation. The media, right? The ones that give so much truth out right now. And I'm being facetious when I say that. The truth news. Yeah, right. More like the fake news. They're gonna try and come up with an explanation as to Where did all of these people go? And funny thing is that now all of a sudden we're hearing about the UFO, this whole UFO phenomenon, which a few years ago you would never hear the mainstream media ever, let alone the military, come out and acknowledge, ooh, they're UFOs now. Now we've tracked them. And putting together some sort of panel to investigate or discuss, I'm not sure. We would have never seen that. What about that, Brandon, this whole UFO thing popping up all of a sudden now? Yeah, I think already it's given a good reason how they're going to explain us away, how we disappear and why we disappeared, and they're going to chalk it up to UFOs. Now, the funny thing about this, this has been going on for some time. The appearance of UFOs, at least in America, really exploded in 1948, and it's been exploding since then. I think there's something there with Israel obviously becoming a nation in 1948. But when Chuck Missler, he wrote a book a long time ago about aliens and alien abductions and he was noting in this book, I can't remember the name of it, but that in talking to those in the new age who are channeling demons or anyone in the occult or whatnot what they noticed that the demons were telling these people is they were giving them information about the rapture they were saying that eventually one day all these people are going to disappear and what that is is uh... avatars, creatures from the future or space aliens or whatever that's going to take those people off the earth because they prohibited the earth from reaching its spiritual evolution and they needed to be taken away to re-educate them and they also noted, note this, in the demonic information about this. They said, oh, and don't be surprised when the kids are disappeared and the babies because you're going to ask questions about that. Well, why did they need to be reeducated? But they know best what to do and they're going to help those children out as well. So don't worry about that. They're going to be taken care of. And I thought, isn't that interesting that the aliens even had an excuse? Sorry, the demons had an excuse of where the children and babies are going to go. Sure, sure. So this has actually been talked about in new age occultic circles for decades upon decades and now all of a sudden we're seeing the government come out with it. Well on the mainstream. It's mainstream now it's like it should be on the front page of every newspaper and it's not they're acting like this is normal. Right. But I think what they're doing is normalizing it so that when we do disappear they have an excuse and I think the alien excuse is Look, the demons are already saying they're going to use it for that. Sure. Absolutely. You know, anything to lead people astray. Absolutely. And I think that's the best explanation. Sorry, best excuse they will give for that. And they're going to look what they're going to say. Look, they're going to say, look, all these other Christians are still here. You know, it wasn't the rapture because the rapture, they would probably say it's going to take all Christians. And look, we have the Catholics and we have the Mormons. We have the Jehovah's Witnesses here. And so it didn't take them. It's just the bad Christians. Yeah, true. And it's very true. I mean, I've seen a couple of movies. Left Behind series is one of them. The other one, I'm trying to remember what the name of it was. I might post it. I might not. Anyways, one of the clips in the movies is this Christian pastor who was left behind, and he's on a panel explaining. They're all giving their explanations as to why. One of them says, Gaia, Mother Earth, cleansed herself, right? This other guy gives some weird explanation. And then the pastor goes, no, no, no, you guys are all wrong. What are you talking about? This was the rapture of the church. This was God's hand intervening. And they all turn around and look at the guy and go, well, then why are you still here? And just they totally just shut the guy up. Yeah. And you know what? That's true. There are going to be a lot of those left behind. Yeah. So it's really important to make sure that, you know, why are you a Christian? And make sure that it's for the right reasons and don't play right now is not the time to be playing church I'll tell you that much. No, not the time Okay, so let's move on a bit because there's so much I want to cover I don't think we're gonna get through the whole thing. That's okay We're gonna have to do this again, right? Are you cool if we do it some other time? Okay um so for those I want to kind of cover this real quick, because maybe we don't hear much of this, but the role of the Holy Spirit at the day of Pentecost, which was the birth of the church. Some may say the birth of the church was a little later on in the book of Acts. I believe it was the day of Pentecost, Holy Spirit came, indwelt the believer, and ever since then, When we surrender our lives to Jesus Christ and we ask Him to be our Lord and Savior, we get the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. That's right. That's right. What is the role of the Holy Spirit going to be during the tribulation? Yeah, he will still have his role that he does now, except one particular ministry, and it's the ministry of restraint. Right now, the Holy Spirit is restraining evil, restraining the Antichrist. And this is the concept we get all the way back in Genesis 6, that he says, my spirit will not strive with men forever. and restrain them basically is the idea. So that's where the ministry, that particular ministry of the Holy Spirit is dealt with. Well, the only thing that's removed at the rapture is the restraining ministry of the Holy Spirit. Everything else that the Holy Spirit does, he will continue to do. regenerate, convict, all those kinds of things that he does now. Um, but man, I'll tell you what, when he lifts his restraints, it's Katie barred the door. It's all Hades is going to break loose. We, I think sometimes we realize we don't, we see how bad it is, but it's still under the restraint of the Holy Spirit. if you can picture that. So as bad as it is, it still could be worse if the Holy Spirit wasn't restraining all of this. So curious, in the Old Testament, the role of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit would come and would go, correct? Yeah. Is that not going to be the case during the tribulation? Well, because the new covenants in effect, the Holy Spirit will permanently indwell believers. Okay. Aspect that's not going to change. So, um, because of the new covenant. Okay. So, um, and, and like pastor Brandon said, there is one part and what is, is it in second Thessalonians where the restrainer is taken away? Yeah. Right. Why don't you walk us through that real quick? Well, um, if you, you turn to second Thessalonians, if you ever want to, if those outside are listening, what you start having is you have a discussion that Paul's having about the Antichrist, obviously. And he's saying that something or someone is restraining this individual. And he's telling the Thessalonians believers that, wait a second, there's several things that have to happen before the Antichrist is revealed. And so he talks about the great apostasy and things of that nature. But in the verse that he talks about the Antichrist being restrained, he says that he will not be revealed until he reveals restraining him is the idea. And when you start looking at the context of that, it's interesting because I'll try to read the verse. It's verse seven. I'll try to make sense of it It says he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way Now the funny thing about that that passage is By the way, that's second second Thessalonians chapter 2. Yeah verse 7. Yeah verse 7 There's there's two keys in the passage but the first key is masculine and it is we believe it's a reference to the Holy Spirit because when you then you go to the other he it's different it's it's a like a third person mm-hmm and we would define that as it not he and so sometimes like my Bible translated translates it he but it should be translated it so The way you read it is for the mystery of laws is already at work. Only he personal pronoun who now restraint will do so until it is taken out of the way is the way you translate that passage properly. Well, then that leaves the question, who's the he and what's the it? Well, we can based on other passages, we bring them all together. It's the Holy Spirit restraining through the it, which is the church. So once the church is removed, the it, the restraining efforts of the Holy Spirit are removed with it. So that's why we're called salt and light because the Holy Spirit is actually restraining evil through the church right now. And so that's why we link the removal of the strength with the removal of the church at the same time. Sure. And I want to make sure that we understand when Brandon says the church, we're talking about individuals that make up the body. The real church. The real church. Yeah. And that is the Holy Spirit working through the life of the believer to restrain evil. Case in point, prayer, voting. Going to and standing in front of abortion clinics and praying counseling You know in legislatures we have believers in there now. We have a slew of people that are involved in everyday Politics teaching work so you can just go down influencing for good and when that is gone and Who's gonna influence for good? Like who's, if you guys think how bad is it now, right? You take a look at the global stage right now. It's getting really bad, really ugly. That's with us, the church, still influencing for good and restraining because the Holy Spirit working through us, restraining the floodgates of evil. We're just kind of pictures holding the floodgates back. Once we're gone, That's it. Those floodgates are just going to crack open and it's just going to be game on. Okay. So kind of moving on. We have now the mark of the beast. Okay. Okay. The Bible says that the, let me back up a bit. The number of his name is six, six, six. Okay. and we have had for years ACDC and all kinds of heavy metal bands and they use that for to market themselves right you know bad publicity is good publicity anyway so But that number, so there are some that think that that is a literal, numeric value to the name of the Antichrist. There are those that also believe seven is the number given to represent the Lord, perfection, right? Seven, seven, seven would be the emphasis. Six is the number of man. Triple six is the emphasis of how bad this dude's gonna be, okay? Take your pick. I think it could be both of them together. Why not? You know, um, I don't know what, what's your take on that real quick before we get into the mark. It's, it's all of that because, uh, six, obviously a man's, uh, created on, on the sixth day, which shows man's incomplete without God. And so when you see the triple sixes, you'll see it in scripture, even in the old Testament, triple six is found on Goliath's armor. And it's also found in Nebuchadnezzar statue when he wanted Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to bow down. Now, both, Both the Goliath scene and then the Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego scene are actually typologies for the seven year tribulation. Yeah. That's why you see 666. The Antichrist will be a Nephilim, like Goliath will be. He will also set up an image like Nebuchadnezzar did. And so you see the same typology, but 666 is all over the place. So, so already in the old Testament, when the Jews saw that, that triple six, they knew this is a bad dude from Satan. Okay. And he's more, it's worse than just the evil of a man. It's satanic evil. And sometimes in our lives, you will actually see glimpses that, that evil goes beyond human. It goes to another level. like Hitler's Holocaust went beyond to another level, that was the panic. And so that's when you know it's beyond human. Well, this guy will be on human, but also because the book of Revelation is actually a safety manual, so to speak, if you want to call it for Jews living in tribulation for our even Gentiles, because it tells them what to expect and what's going to come. And it also tells them how to decipher who the Antichrist is. And so, again, the Bible is a Jewish book, so you have to take it from a Jewish perspective. So, what we have in the Hebrew alphabet is the alphanumeric system, which means the alphabet is also the numeric system as well. So, if this is a survival manual for the Jews, which I believe it is, then the ability to translate the number and and correspond that with the Antichrist's name will be a marker for them to be able to spot him. Not only just before signing the covenant, but also along with the fact that he proclaims himself to be God, he's Israel's friend, yada, yada, yada. So if you took the Antichrist's name, and this could only happen in that period of time, It can't happen now. Yeah, don't try it. Don't try it because it's not going to fail. It could only happen in that period of time when the Antichrist is on the scene. The Jewish remnant will be able to take his name and his name as an alphanumeric in the Hebrew will add up to 666. Not in English, folks, not in English, Hebrew or the Jews, because this is this is the Book of Revelation is about the Jews in the tribulation. So it's very Jewish. You have to come from that context. And so they and they alone in the tribulation will be able to decipher the name. So that's why it says he who has wisdom, let him calculate the number of the beast. The calculation is do it. Put it in Hebrew. So I'm going to go to real quick. Sorry, folks. We're jumping around so much. Revelation chapter 13, verse 16. I'm going to read it, and then we're going to kind of unpack it just a wee bit. It says, he causes all, and I think the word all in the Greek is all. That's right. Both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave. Just in case you missed that, it doesn't matter what race, color, economic, socioeconomic, whatever it is, it's all, everybody. There's no distinction. He causes them to receive a mark. I know that word mark is charagma, correct? Yeah. A mark on their right hand or on their foreheads and that no one may buy or sell except one, whoever has the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name. Ooh, boy, there's so much in there, right? Yeah, man. Where do we start, folks? Well, we start, you know, with the idea that, you know, we're starting to see that type of system get set up. Yeah. And, um, you know, the term buying and selling, that's being thrown around right now. That, okay, you can't buy or sell without a vaccine, or, you know, you can't buy and sell without a vaccine passport, or whatever, and we're starting to see the technology, but to understand this passage, you're not gonna be able to do economics, basically, without this mark. And it's a mark that's on your body. It's a mark that you wear, whether, and I believe it's under the skin. I think there's a good point to make that it's under the skin. It doesn't have to be, but it will carry your ability to buy and sell. which you couldn't say that a hundred years ago. Yeah. What do you say? What do you say to the people? I say, I'd never let that. I never let anybody do that to me. You know what I got to say? 2020 people. Yeah. 2020. Yeah. Look what happened then. Right. and they were able to shut down the churches, shut down the economy, and they were able to force people to wear masks, and we now know the masks didn't work, okay? So if people say they're not gonna do it, did you wear a mask? So at the end of the day, I don't think the people will have a problem at all. In fact, what I saw last year, Pablo, is that people are more than willing to comply with government mandates. 100%. Are we there? Absolutely. I think we are so that I was just telling my wife this morning. I said, if 2020 and leading into 2021 has shown me anything, even on the prophetic time, time scale, time clock is that people are ripe and ready for to take a mark, to take anything. There were their folks were For someone to say, no, I don't see that. Just take a look at 2020. It wasn't a matter of one mask. They tell you two, you bet. I'll put two on. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And I think they're in lies where I think I even had to adjust my initial thoughts of understanding the mark of the beast because, you know, when I was young, I'm talking about in my twenties, I used to thought I used to think, oh, man, man, people would totally resist that. They wouldn't allow themselves to do things like that. You're going to be able to fight on it. I'm thinking now today. Forget it. They will beg for it. Begs for it. What about cryptocurrencies, guys? We're seeing a lot of talk of cryptocurrencies. I was just talking to one of the swim dads yesterday, and I said, you know, the crazy thing is they're trying to get rid of currency, of money, cash. It's dirty, right? It can carry viruses. It can carry disease. So we're headed to a place, a cashless society. Mark Hitchcock wrote a book. called Cashless. It's a good book. But we know specifically, Brandon, that the tribulation, there's not going to be cash. No one's going to be able to use cash. And we're moving to a point where now we're talking about digital currencies seriously. The crazy thing is, I see it happening fairly quick, this transition into a digital currency, and how easy would it be if you don't comply for me to just type in a line of code or click a button, and now you have zero money in your bank, your credit cards don't work anymore, you can't pay your bills, you're toast. You are toast. So, fast forward in that into the tribulation. Well, yeah. And you can easily see, it just takes common sense that if you had all your banking controlled and let's put your health records on there, and let's put all your economics on there, and all your personal information on there, they could wipe you out with a touch of a button. and they can wipe out your bank account, they could wipe you out. And no telling, if they put something inside of you, which a lot of people don't realize that they wanna do, Bill Gates and a lot of these globalists want to chip people for proof of vaccine and proof of this, proof of that, but also for the digital currency that's coming. What would stop them from being able to have the ability to kill you through it? Yeah. You know, who knows? I mean, we know people that have been chipped in the army. The army does chipping. Yeah. And in some of the special forces. And a lot of those guys tell you that they end up with cancer or there's something that goes wrong in their bodies a lot of times. And so, they want to put that stuff in our bodies. They want us to be able to carry it. And, you know, let's go into the future. How much of a stretch would it be to say, okay, if you have the mark of the beast in your body, on your right hand or your forehead, and it's under your skin, in your body, and you didn't worship the image of the beast, which is required of you at that time, how easy would it be to just flip off a switch and say, okay, you're dead? Yeah, 100%. You could see they don't need a guillotine. They don't need anything. They just flip a switch. Yeah, which the guillotine is going to happen. It will. It will. The head lopping will happen during the tribulation. Yeah, it will. You know, so Again, I'm going to keep saying this, we're there. There's really nothing that needs to happen in order for the rapture of the church to happen, because the technology that we need for the tribulation, we have it. John Haller was mentioning that in one of his prophecy updates, that in Ohio, and he showed pictures of it, they're almost done with a Facebook data center. So, I've heard that data farming is the new oil. Okay. It's huge. Data. and they're building this massive, I mean, the span of one of these data centers is one quarter of a mile. Just think about that. Four football fields or something like that. It's four football fields in width, okay? Just think about that. And then they're like rows and they have about four or five of these quarter mile long rows and in the middle of Ohio. And he was saying that right across the road from them, guess who's going to build a data center there? Google. Now, there you go. And so it's not the only data center. This is one data center. And there's another chart. I might put it up. I took it from John Haller. So thanks, John. Appreciate you doing the research. But He showed how, I guess now, the amount of data we have is not measured in terabytes anymore. They're measured in zettabytes. And I had to look up what zettabytes is. So 1,000 megabytes is one gigabyte. 1,000 gigabytes is one terabyte, okay? My hard drive, I think I have a one four terabyte, one eight terabyte. One million, yes, one million terabytes is one zettabyte. And the amount of information data collected, I guess we're competing with China. We're ahead of China in data collection, by the way. is in the thousands of zettabytes. I believe that that is a structure of the beast system. Absolutely. It's huge. And why would it be so difficult to think that one man can control the entire world? And we're not even going to get into algorithms and AI. That's a conversation for another time. It would be cool to get Billy Crone on. Yeah, he's good at that, man. Oh, my land, that guy. But OK, so we kind of covered the mark of the beast. You aren't going to be able to do doink if you don't have it. Just consider yourself anathematized. I like that word. You're toast. So Kind of moving on. So the way we are progressing now, it seems exponential at the rate we're headed into the tribulation. So I want to just cover something real quick. There's nothing that has to happen in order for the rapture to happen, correct? Right. So why do I hear some pastors say that we have to have the fullness of the Gentiles before the rapture happens? Oh yeah, that's a concurrent narrative that's going on according to the Apostle Paul. So that's true. But we don't know when the last Gentile gets saved. So that's between God and that last Gentile. But that still makes it imminent to us. Right. And therefore, that's not something that needs to be satisfied, per se, on our part. God knows when He's going to pull the trigger. And that's what's important. And we don't. So that's why we say theologically that the rapture is imminent. Now, God has His reasons why He has delayed the rapture to whenever He decides to pull the trigger. So, but it is in concert with a piece of knowledge that God knows, and only God knows when the last Gentile is saved. That's on His side. So that doesn't mess with imminency at all, because we don't know. There's no marker out there. That's only a God thing. And so in our sense, it's still imminent and always has been. Okay, so kind of moving on. Two questions. First question is, what is in store for those that do not accept Jesus Christ this side of the tribulation? Wow. Um, the, the experience of hell come to earth. That's the best way I can put it. Um, if you miss the rapture, I'm not saying you can't get saved. There are, there are plenty of opportunities that will be there, but you will experience hell come to earth. Not only will you experience the wrath of man through the antichrist, the whore of Babylon and all the crazies. that are running around at that point in time. I mean, just imagine like Portland everywhere. And even worse than that, right? Yeah. Worse than that. You know, just death and violence and stealing and everything. And there's no law or anything like that going on. And then imagine on top of that, you're not, that's the wrath of man. Then you have the wrath of God being poured out at the same time and forget that there's nothing comparing to that. Um, and so I, I just, I would warn anybody that's not saved right now that you don't want to experience hell, not only for eternity, but you don't even want to experience hell that comes for seven years on this planet because you're going to die. The good chance is you're going to be murdered somehow, some way, either by the wrath of man or by being killed by the judgments of God. You won't make it. Very few will make it. And then you might be martyred at the same time and have your head chopped off. Yeah, folks. I don't think we quite understand. I know I have a hard time. I said this earlier on. I have a difficult time understanding how bad things are going to get. We get a glimpse because we read scripture. And for those that have an imagination, you can probably imagine. I always like to kind of say this, there are those that say, it's beyond me how a Christian would want to watch horror movies. I have a big, big problem with that. But there are horror movies, and I believe the producers, the writers, all of that, they're inspired by demons. It's just straight up demonic. Now, if you were to take one of the worst horror movies, and I don't watch them, and I haven't, I couldn't tell you, but unfortunately, they have to show these terrible previews sometimes when you're trying to watch a show. If you take that, okay, any horror movie and you think that's fake, you got something else coming towards you. Yeah. Because the Bible is very specific, that demonic activity. Now it, it works in the supernatural and manifests in the physical, but during the tribulation, it's going to be all in the natural. So whatever you see in those movies, levitations, uh, possessions, You know, I'll even say this much, and I know I'm going to sound like a total freakazoid weirdo. That's okay. I'll own it. The Bible says that for five months, man is gonna sink, this is a revelation, I'm trying to remember, is that during the trumpet judgments? Man is gonna seek death and they will not find it. Yeah, it's a trumpet judgment. Trumpet judgment. Yeah. Because there's gonna be these hordes of demons that are gonna be allowed to torment men for five months, and it's very specific. Chuck Smith used to say that death can be a relief for those suffering greatly. And the Bible is very specific. So there's this big fad now, zombies, and I see stickers on the back of cars, I'm a zombie hunter, zombie killer, prepare for the zombie apocalypse. But you know what the funny thing is? The only distinction between what I see then and now, obviously, they're not gonna get up and eat you, But there are going to be zombies in the sense of living dead people. They're going to probably reach for a gun and try to end their lives. And you know what? They're going to be alive in that condition, blown out, jumping off of a cliff, you name it. They will try to evade death, and they won't find it. Can you imagine what that's going to be like by the millions? I can't. And that's just one. That's just one. Folks, this isn't a joke. This is not a joke. Pastor Brandon knows scripture well enough, and he's preached about it many times. You know, for those that study scripture, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's a time, like scripture says, that's a time like never before. And if we wouldn't have an end to it, nobody would survive. Nobody. That's right. Bad. It's horrible. Very, very, very bad. And those are the ramifications, folks, for those that reject Christ, this side of the rapture. And so we've, I know, I know we've covered a lot of bad news, a lot of bad news, and it is all bad news, except for the rapture. If you're part of the bride of Christ, you're not just a professing Christian from here on out. If you truly, truly have asked Jesus Christ to be your Lord and savior. You know, Jesus said, if you love me, you will keep my commandments. It doesn't mean you're perfect, but the Lord knows your heart. You're going to go in the rapture. Praise God. That is hopeful. That is a great source of hope and encouragement for us, the believer. but we covered a lot of nasty stuff. And let me tell you this from today forward, it's only going to get nastier. It's only going to get worse and terrible and, and horrifying. And, uh, but there's good news. There's good news. And I'm going to turn it over now to Brandon, because I want you pastor Brandon, if you wouldn't mind telling those, they don't have to go through that. Right. So God is not willing that any should perish, but all should come to repentance. He's not wanting this to come upon any individual. Again, he's forced into a situation because of his holiness and justice, and blood cries out for justice to be met. But he offers grace and mercy to anyone who will accept. That's why it says in 2 Peter 3 that We should see this slackness on him, this delay of judgment as part of his grace and mercy, not wanting anyone to perish. So he's given people an opportunity. He's waking people up to say, come to faith in the Messiah. Come to faith in my son. All you need to do is simply believe. And see, I grew up Catholic thinking that I had to earn my salvation. But once I realized the true gospel, It is all of what Christ did. He did the work of salvation. He lived the perfect life. I couldn't live and died on the cross for my sins, was buried and rose on the third day and simply offers everlasting life to anyone who will believe in him, believe in his person, that he is the God man and believe in his work, that his work on the cross was enough to satisfy God's wrath for your salvation. And that is the only way through forgiveness is through his shed blood and his death. And so if someone will simply say, look, um, I believe in that. I believe that I'm a sinner. I believe that, uh, Christ died on a cross for my sins, that he's the God man. Um, and I put my trust for him for salvation. He will give you everlasting life. He promises that to you and you will eternally be secure. Nothing can ever take you out of his hands. And so. The issue becomes it's by faith you must believe, you must be convinced that what Jesus is promising, He's promising you everlasting life, and He gives the evidence that He can promise that based on who He is and what He did. And that evidence is sufficiently found in the Scriptures and is enough for you to be saved just by simply believing. So if you haven't done that yet, You can ask the Lord through prayer to save you, admit you're a sinner, and accept His sacrifice on the cross for your sins, and you can be saved. You can miss this terrible time that's coming. promised to be raptured before that, to always be with Him, to be rewarded, to be with Him forever in the New Jerusalem, and then rule and reign with Him on the Messianic Kingdom. So He's got a great future planned for you, but He is waiting for you to respond to that gift. Amen. Why don't you pray for those that want to make Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior of your life. Go ahead, Pastor Brandon, if you're fine. Just simply pray with me. Just this simple prayer from your heart. Lord Jesus, I know that I'm a sinner. I've broken your laws. But I realize that you died on a cross for my sins. and that you were buried and that you rose on the third day. I believe that was enough for the payment of my sin, that you satisfied God's wrath through your death. And I realized that salvation from you is a free gift. I received that gift of salvation by faith. faith in who the Messiah is, that he is the God-man, and faith in his work on the cross for my sins and for my forgiveness. I thank you now for saving me. And I pray now in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Uh, if you guys did ask the Lord to be, uh, your Lord and savior, please let me know. Love to get a Bible out to you if you don't have one. Um, and if you want to get a hold of pastor Brandon or his videos or sermons, I'm going to link up to that just like I did last time. But before we go out, I want to make sure we understand the battle is real folks. And the enemy is very cunning. In a book titled, I Never Thought I'd See the Day, Dr. Jeremiah writes, two factors enable Satan to remain so undetected. First, he is a spirit being. We cannot apprehend him with our physical senses. And in today's climate of empiricism, people have trouble believing in a spirit world. And second, he clothes himself in the images of this world that people perceive as good, noble, attractive, or uplifting. Art, literature, entertainment, education, and scholarship. How many impressionable students have lost their faith under the influence of a learned college professor who mocked the idea of God? How much indecency do we tolerate in the name of art, which elevates creativity above the rules of morality? How many Christians are passively lulled into accepting perversions as normal when they are presented hour after hour on television? Yes, Satan's influence has become pervasive in many of the institutions we want to look to as noble, enlightening, or entertaining. And until we see through this deception and wake up to its insidious effects on us, we are in danger. And few of us even seem to notice." And I'm going to close without. Pay attention, people. So I hope you guys were encouraged. I hope you guys were blessed, especially challenged. Really think about it. And until the next time, you guys take care. God bless. Keep looking up.